Fw: Is Aptitude upstream?

[Hannie Lafeber-Dumoleyn]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Khaled Hosny" <khaledhosny op eglug.org>
To: "Arne Goetje" <arne.goetje op canonical.com>
Cc: <ubuntu-translators op lists.ubuntu.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: Is Aptitude upstream?


> On Mon, Aug 02, 2010 at 12:18:05AM +0800, Arne Goetje wrote:
>> On 08/02/2010 12:03 AM, Khaled Hosny wrote:
>> > On Sun, Aug 01, 2010 at 11:38:01PM +0800, Arne Goetje wrote:
>> >> On 08/01/2010 10:41 PM, Hannie wrote:
>> >>> On https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+lang/nl/ I 
>> >>> find
>> >>> many templates that should not be translated by us, Ubuntu Dutch
>> >>> Translation Team. With Gnome and KDE it is not so difficult, because 
>> >>> it
>> >>> is usually in the name. But with others I am not sure if we should
>> >>> translate them or not. One of them is Aptitude. Is this upstream
>> >>> (Debian), or not?
>> >>> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/aptitude/+pots/aptitude/nl/+translate?field.alternative_language-empty-marker=1
>> >>> In fact, only few of the 1340 templates are NOT upstream (e.g.
>> >>> (K)Ubuntu-docs, software-center, app-install-data).
>> >>> Would it not be a good idea to mention in the list of templates 
>> >>> whether
>> >>> it is upstream or Ubuntu?
>> >>> Hannie Dumoleyn
>> >>
>> >> In general, you should translate any template where translations are
>> >> still missing, no matter if they come from upstream or they are native
>> >> to Ubuntu.
>> >
>> > I think this is a very bad advice actually, we are not helping better
>> > localisation by wasting time doing downstream translations that are 
>> > very
>> > unlikely to be used upstream. We should instead encourage Ubuntu
>>
>> If those strings show up in the GUI, they will be visible to the Ubuntu
>> users and hence should be translated. Even if upstream has abandoned
>> them already or they are native to Ubuntu, users still see them.
>
> I never said otherwise, I'm just against the idea of translating them
> silently in Ubuntu, I instead suggest communicating with upstream
> translators beforehand to avoid any possiple duplication of effort.
>
>> > translators to communicate with upstream projects to reach a common
>> > background. For example, though packages in Ubuntu might be slightly
>> > older than current upstream releases, usually the differences are
>> > minimal that it is very easy to translate the latest version upstream
>> > then "backport" it to the version in Ubuntu and then fix any
>> > differences. This means with next upstream sync, the difference will be
>> > zero to very minimal. Most translation teams are underpowered unpaid
>>
>> Yep, I also wrote this.
>>
>> > volunteers, we need to manage those limited resources for the greater
>> > benefit, not wasting time redoing translations and re-reviewing
>> > translations.
>>
>> Of course, if upstream has already translations which are still missing
>> in Launchpad, they should just get downloaded and imported into
>> Launchpad manually. But if upstream doesn't have translations ready yet
>> and we are close to release, it would be better if those strings get
>> translated in Launchpad anyway and submitted to upstream for inclusion
>> into the next packaged version.
>
> I can't agree more, but your original advise wasn't suggesting this, not
> the way I read it at at least. I just want to stress on communicating
> and cooperating with upstream right from the start, not as an after
> thought.
>
> Putting my upstream hat, I hate downstream translators "fixing" non-bugs
> in my translation because they didn't even try to communicate with me.
> With my downstream hat on, I hate spending my already limited time doing
> translation that will be trashed within few months because some one else
> already translated it upstream.
>
> Regards,
> Khaled
>
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> Khaled Hosny
> Arabic localiser and member of Arabeyes.org team
> Free font developer
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