(15:28:11) kasina: hi guys (15:28:13) kasina: Sorry. (15:28:22) otis: welcome. (15:28:31) davehat: hey (15:28:33) kasina: I'm on a windows netword and had to download then install Gaim (15:28:39) kasina: Hey dave (15:28:44) kasina: hi Otis (15:28:53) otis: hi ken. (15:28:58) kasina: So what is today's topic (15:29:17) davehat has changed the topic to: help (15:29:25) davehat: :) (15:29:41) davehat: as in... where is everyone! (15:29:47) davehat: OK, on a more serious note (15:30:13) davehat has changed the topic to: how do we get more people interested in Ubuntu and a Kenya LoCo (15:30:27) otis: publicity. (15:30:47) davehat: well, yes, but... (15:31:03) kasina: hmm (15:31:13) kasina: Either way people still have questions (15:31:27) davehat: I'd say we need to be a bit more organised too (15:31:33) kasina: What is Ubuntu? will it help my biz? Can I install it at home (15:31:57) kasina: This are some of the questions I got at the ICT thingy (15:32:09) kasina: Yes davehat! we need to get more organized. (15:32:10) davehat: OK, so we know there are people interested... (15:32:17) otis: i think the silver bullet will be, what is ubuntu. (15:32:20) kasina: Yes people are interested (15:32:56) davehat: silver bullet for what otis? (15:33:31) otis: i mean what will hit guys to know what ubuntu is:) (15:35:01) otis: ok,can we get to the serious issue? (15:35:15) kasina: Most people are already abit aware of what Ubuntu is but they ask questions like 'what its useful for' and whether it can 'help them reap profits from a business angle' (15:36:00) davehat: kasine - yes, I'd agree there must be people like that (15:36:33) kasina: I was previously in the Kenya linux LUG and it somehow became inactive and meeting died out. I still hear that the mailing list is active but I'm not sure. If we are to survive, we have to build solidarity. (15:36:39) davehat: so, what do we do to help these folks - the ones who are aware of Ubuntu but want practical answers from a Kenyan point of view (15:37:01) davehat: Kasina - again, good point, how do we do this do you think? (15:37:39) davehat: Wat happened to Kenya Linux - how did it fail? (15:37:50) davehat: lack of interest or lack of focus? (15:37:54) davehat: or both? (15:37:55) kasina: Davehat: we have already made a start by coming together -... (15:38:00) otis: i think we can write an article to appear on a daily. (15:38:48) davehat: Otis - great. How's that coming along? (15:38:54) kasina: I think it lack of focus - the LUG meeting used to be every Thursday at a venue sponsored by some US guy, but when he withdrew sponsorship, all LUGs ended (15:40:00) davehat: so, the lack of funding killed the group? Well, this group will never really be funded (or at least not at first) so there's no danger of that happening! (15:40:12) otis: ok,my uncle is the bureau chief of eastandard rift v, i'm sure i can get him on this. (15:40:32) davehat: Have you ever mailed the old Linux Kenya list? (15:40:40) davehat: Otis - why not write one yourself? (15:41:01) davehat: you are interested in ubuntu and are training in Journalism - there can be no better person for the job! (15:41:37) davehat: I can help you edit if you like - I used to write marketing stuff all the time (15:41:43) kasina: Davehat: Yes I used to email it but its more than 2 years since I left (15:41:49) otis: thanks,i was thinking we all contribute to the contents and then we post it. (15:42:32) davehat: Ok, Kasina, if you are still a member, can you mail the list and let them know? The list may well be live still.... yes? (15:43:23) kasina: Otis: we need a solid contributor, if we opt to write an article, a topic has to be drawn, a theme and content also target audience researched (15:43:23) davehat: Otis, someone needs to start it. (15:43:43) kasina: davehat: I shall try and check for the list (15:43:47) davehat: Ok, what topic? (15:44:06) davehat: kasina, thanks (15:44:42) otis: i think we start on the basics. (15:44:54) davehat: any ideas for an artical topic? (15:45:17) davehat: Otis, what do you mean? (15:45:22) otis: yeah,how 2007 is the year of linux. (15:45:49) kasina: I think we'd rather start of at introducing Opensource, then now Ubuntu as an Opensource alternative to proprietary OSes (15:46:22) otis: i agree. (15:46:33) kasina: Also doing a comparison of proprietary and opensource software + what benefits businesses would derive (15:47:20) davehat: kasina, perhaps that's how I'd go about it too - here is what open source is, this is probably what you guys think it is (and how it used to be - IE for geeks), actually nowadays its a lot easier - Ubuntu is a fully functioning.... blah blah blah (15:48:19) kasina: Then later on once I'm done with writing some software for some clients, I can request permission from them to write their story of how they find the adoption of ubuntu/opensource (15:49:47) davehat: By the way, I am a totally ruthless editor of copy, so I'm totally fine with having to look at something of 1000+ word length and cutting it down to what ever size fits. I warn you now that some people don't always like that sort of thing :) (15:50:18) kasina: :) (15:50:19) davehat: OK, so with regards to publicity, we're going to try and get an article in the Kenyan press? (15:50:24) zsh [n=<a href="mailto:zsh@196.201.208.129">zsh@196.201.208.129</a>] entered the room. (15:50:30) davehat: hey ZSH (15:50:37) davehat: oops, make that zsh (15:50:37) kasina: hi zsh (15:51:05) zsh: Hello, sorry i'm late (15:51:45) davehat: zsh, not to worry - you're here now (15:52:11) davehat: we were just talking about publicity for Ubuntu in Kenya - we're going to try and get an article published in a newspaper (15:52:48) kasina: I shall try and check on the Nation guys and c if we can get some sponsored space (15:53:00) davehat: BTW, I have a friend of a friend who's a Nation journalist... (15:53:26) davehat: I'll see what I can do - their tech reporting is reliably useless most of the time, maybe they'd be happy with a submission! (15:53:54) davehat: Is anyone here apart from me a blogger? (15:55:27) davehat: I think we should try and hit the kenya blog ring for some publicity. (15:56:41) kasina: Sure (15:57:00) kasina: I also blog but on Gtk and Gnome (15:57:07) kasina: rarely though (15:58:05) zsh: Not a bad idea, quite a few ppl read blogs these days (15:58:37) davehat: OK, I will look into setting up the Kenya opensource website I mentioned when we met. I can get and host a domain, but web design is not my thing. I reckon we just put up a wordpress install and get a friendly contributer to skin it... what do you think? (15:58:53) zsh: On soccer usually. :-) (16:00:19) zsh: davehat, ur blog is pretty cool (16:00:59) davehat: thanks, I have been slacking on it for three months now though... (16:01:08) davehat: people actually used to read it before I let it die (16:01:22) davehat: I'm going to get back on it soon, but we've been very busy! (16:01:53) davehat: I guess I should mention now that I'll be leaving the country at the end of next month... (16:02:15) davehat: not that this will stop my indirect involvement here, if nobody minds... (16:02:38) kubaff [n=<a href="mailto:client@196.200.23.139">client@196.200.23.139</a>] entered the room. (16:02:56) kasina: davehat: make sure you make a stop over in Nairobi (16:03:06) davehat: hi kubaff - I think that makes it a record for attendance in #ubuntu-ke! (16:03:11) kasina: hi kubaff :) (16:03:17) kubaff: hey (16:03:18) kasina: nice nick (16:03:25) kubaff: lol (16:03:25) davehat: kasina, will do - my flight will be ex NBO (16:04:16) davehat: did everyone catch the topic? also, otis - you still here, you've gone a bit quiet... (16:04:18) kasina: Kubaff: welcome to the Ubuntu kenya team - we are discussion on ways of publicizn Ubuntu (16:04:40) kubaff: ok, thats deadly (16:05:48) kasina: Otis: says that they have a power blackout at wherever he is located (16:05:50) kasina: :( (16:05:58) zsh: Excuse me guys, i'll b back in a bit (16:06:07) kasina: sure zsh (16:06:10) zsh left the room (quit: "used jmIrc"). (16:06:22) kubaff: im really interested on info concerning the ubuntu studio (16:06:42) otis left the room (quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). (16:07:58) kasina: kubaff: u can use Ubuntu and install studio apps (16:08:08) kubaff: ok (16:08:15) kasina: kubaff: please elaborate what you mean (16:08:16) davehat: to recap, so far we're thinking about getting a piece in the Kenyan press and getting some pieces on blogs in the Kenya blog ring. I'll take the blogging bit then, seeing as I may be the only person in that webring. I think otis is taking a lead on an article. Ken is looking at getting together some case studies of implementation. (16:08:17) davehat: any other ideas from the new arrivals here? (16:09:12) davehat: er... did everyone go, or have I got connection issues :) (16:09:36) kubaff: the blogging way is good (16:10:11) kasina: davehat: guys left (16:10:17) davehat: kubaff - do you blog? (16:11:07) davehat: hmm, what happened to otis - is he coming back? (16:11:15) kubaff: not frequently but i want to get into the habit (16:11:15) kasina: zsh said he'd be back. Otis said there's a power blackout at his location (16:12:12) davehat: OK, well just to add to the mix, I'm getting connection dropouts on my GPRS connection, so sorry if I'm a little slow off the mark! (16:13:04) davehat: kubaff - cool, are you using ubuntu yet, or just getting interested? (16:13:45) kubaff: i was using it sometime last year but i had to switch back to win due to apps (16:14:09) kasina: kubaff: I shall get you the apps (16:14:52) kubaff: cool, but many are musc prod apps, thats why i wanted the ubuntu studio dvd (16:15:37) davehat: I have to go out for about 30 minutes - will epople be here when I get back? (16:15:48) kubaff: whats the current ubuntu version? (16:15:58) kasina: 6.10 (16:16:01) davehat: I really want to get on to how ubuntu-ke can get a bit more organised as a team! (16:16:09) davehat: 7.04 launches in 2 months (16:16:14) kasina: 7.04 is scheduled for release in April (16:16:22) kubaff: ok (16:16:23) davehat: alpha out now (16:16:29) davehat: (don't use it yet!) (16:16:34) davehat: :) (16:16:57) davehat: OK, I'm nipping out - see you when I get back? (16:17:01) otis [n=<a href="mailto:kid@62.24.99.244"> kid@62.24.99.244</a>] entered the room. (16:17:05) kubaff: about the ubuntu-ke, are there meetings anywhere in kenya? (16:17:31) kasina: Davehat: sorry for the derailment. Anyway I really appreciate how you are trying to get us to work together as a team. (16:17:43) kasina: welcome back otis (16:17:50) otis: sorry,there was a blackout,who is kubaff. (16:18:01) davehat: why not ask him :) ? (16:18:07) kasina: kubaff: this are the meetings we normally have (16:18:12) kasina: online :) (16:18:26) kubaff: kasina: only? (16:18:40) davehat: OK, back in 30 mins... (16:18:48) davehat is now known as davehat_away (16:18:48) otis: good,anything of major i missed? (16:19:55) otis: ok,where were we? (16:20:02) kasina: kubaff: mainly this is how we meet (16:20:18) kubaff: kasina: thats ok (16:20:32) kasina: We meet a while back in Town as a group - though only 3of us were in attendance. (16:20:47) kubaff: otis: im new to the ubuntu community and im getting a feel of it (16:20:49) kasina: "met" not "meet" (16:21:26) kasina: otis: you didnt miss much. mainly getting to introduce kubaff to the team (16:21:30) otis: welcome,i hope ya name doesnt have anything with ya character:) (16:22:28) kubaff: otis: by the end of the meetings i will be quite the opposite, due to the info i will have gathered (16:22:54) otis: ok guys,where were we? (16:24:53) kasina: Otis: we were discussing about the newpaper aticle (16:24:58) otis: so,kubaff,can u tell us (me) more about ya self? (16:26:06) kubaff: i got introduced to ubuntu very recently and was interested mainly due to the open source apps (16:26:34) otis: you work? (16:26:42) kubaff: nah, student (16:27:06) kubaff: but if work means making money, then yes (16:27:15) otis: me too,where exactly? (16:27:49) kubaff: freelance music producer and graphics designer (16:28:01) kubaff: you? (16:28:23) otis: great,journalism studnt at UON. (16:28:55) otis: ok,back to the main article,the newspaper. (16:29:32) kubaff: i wasnt there when you were discussing the newspaper (16:29:53) otis: ken,what i can assure of is that i will give the confirmation this week. (16:32:06) otis: kubaff,the newspaper article is about publicising ubuntu. (16:32:56) kubaff: otis: alright, then you are the main guy since you are in journalism, who will write it? (16:33:34) otis: ok,i will,with a bit of contributions from you guys. (16:33:51) kasina: ok otis (16:34:37) kasina: Otis: we have not decided on the theme and topic plsu what need to be contributed so that we can know how is to handle what (16:34:47) kasina: We need to get a layout (16:35:34) otis: ok,what i remember is dave talking of what is open source,then we shift to linux then ubuntu. (16:35:45) kubaff: is it target to the general public or jus techies (16:35:57) kubaff: target-targeted (16:36:51) otis: i believe general,also we need to talk about the politics behind the issue. (16:37:20) kasina: Its meant to be general public (16:38:27) kasina: We begin with introducing Opensource, then proceed to What Ubuntu is all and what packages are there for the business user (16:38:35) kubaff: then it should be more informative (16:38:47) otis: i was thinking along the same line. (16:40:20) kubaff: advantages over windows apps would also be a good way to go. Ama/ (16:41:22) kasina: sure kubaff (16:41:28) otis: yeah,i think what will draw attention particularly is the cost issue. (16:42:13) kubaff: most kenyans are using pirated sw(me included) and sometimes the apps malfunction coz they are poorly cracked, so i think giving kenyans an alternative would be deadly (16:43:13) otis: true,we should let them know that there is another form of piracy that is legal. (16:44:08) kubaff: cost too is a major issue putting in mind the economic perspective of kenya. Kenyans are ready to buy, as long as its affordable. (16:44:22) kasina: :) (16:44:52) otis: we can also inform them of the openness of the code. (16:45:13) kubaff: otis: definately (16:45:52) otis: i mean,if coke is giving out it's secrete recipe,then we should sreate the hype in software. (16:46:23) kasina: sure thing otis (16:46:56) kasina: I'm just listen coz my head is empty at the moment - been coding all through the night (16:47:45) otis: well for me,i'm taking my lpi online next week,you know i'm dying for a linux carreeer. (16:51:37) kubaff: A good layout would be to explain to kenyans in different fields, how ubuntu would benefit them, eg mention to office users about openoffice, designer about gimp and blender, etc you catch my drift. But it has to be put in the simplest way possible because laymen have a phobia for anything linux related. (16:54:29) kasina: kubaff: you have hit the spot :) (16:54:40) kasina: I couldnt have said it better (16:55:53) otis: well,seemlngly we have more ideas,i think we need to be linking up from time to time about this. (16:58:47) kasina: we should be meeting in town at a specified day once we establish a dedicated venue (16:59:23) kubaff: cool (16:59:46) otis: i think dave was right when he said we are not achieving much because we are not working as a team. (17:02:00) kasina: otis: right (17:03:05) otis: i think what am gonna do for the time being is to have the team members more involved. (17:03:39) davehat_away left the room (quit: Remote closed the connection). (17:03:43) kasina: Otis: def (17:04:06) kasina: guys Im about to log off so dont mind if you see me vanish (17:04:49) kubaff: that can be done well if there were more physical meetings and minutes taken (17:05:22) otis: it's ok ken,is dave gonna be back? (17:05:49) kasina: otis: said he'd be back in some few minutes (17:05:54) kasina: Just chill for him (17:06:06) otis: fine. (17:08:40) davehat [n=<a href="mailto:David@196.201.208.129">David@196.201.208.129</a>] entered the room. (17:08:51) davehat: hi, I'm back (17:09:44) otis: great,i was just briefing how i can get members to be more involved (17:10:56) davehat: could you copy and paste everything and PM it to me? (17:11:01) davehat: I'd like to read... (17:11:16) davehat: I have the conversation up to : (16:51:32) kubaff: A good layout would be to explain to kenyans in different fields, how ubuntu would benefit them, eg mention to office users about openoffice, designer about gimp and blender, etc you catch my drift. But it has to be put in the simplest way possible because laymen have a phobia for anything linux related. (17:11:17) davehat: (16:54:24) kasina: kubaff: you have hit the spot :) (17:11:26) davehat: thanks. (17:11:37) davehat: OK, so we're still on point 1 then :) (17:11:48) davehat: what about getting more arganised as a LoCo team? (17:12:05) davehat: hows it going with contacting the LoCo co-ordinator otis? (17:12:57) kubaff: may i ask wats LoCo? (17:13:29) davehat: A local Community team for Ubuntu. The idea is that we are setting one up for Kenya (17:13:37) kubaff: ok (17:14:22) otis: and it's not yet official,and we are working on it. (17:14:46) davehat: have a look here: <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KenyanTeam/">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KenyanTeam/ </a> (17:14:50) kasina: We can startup one ourselves. We just need to get a venue and the rest shall be in place. (17:15:02) davehat: well, that's the thing Otis - "we" aren't (17:15:40) kasina: kenyalinux group: <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kenyalinux/">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kenyalinux/</a> (17:16:00) otis: thanks ken for that link:) (17:16:11) davehat: in order to get us to be official, we have to be in contact with all the other teams and the LoCo team manager (17:16:55) davehat: Kasina, I think the idea is that we _are_ the LoCo team :) (17:17:25) kasina: yes dave I agree with you (17:18:22) kasina: Otis: I believe you can even do that now. Simply get the Loco teams coordinators contacts and email him/her (17:18:42) davehat: otis, since you are the listed LoCo contact, the "getting official" work has to be down to you - we can't actually do anything at all (17:18:52) kasina: I'm a contributor to Ubuntu but hardly known due the the fact that I have no Loco team (17:18:52) otis: i'm on it right now. (17:19:50) otis: no wonder we could not officiate at the expo:) (17:22:10) davehat: So, otis, I guess I'm saying that really, a lot of this is actually down to you - _you_ started this LoCo, you're named as the LoCo contact. (17:22:19) zsh [n=<a href="mailto:zsh@196.201.208.129">zsh@196.201.208.129</a>] entered the room. (17:23:10) kubaff: I have got to go. It was deadly being here, i will definately join the next meeting. (17:23:33) davehat: cool kubaff - see you next time - two weeks on Sunday (17:23:42) kubaff: cheerz (17:23:44) otis: ok,and i would love to pass the leadership once we make it to tha official list. (17:23:51) zsh: Nice seeing u here, kubaff (17:23:52) kubaff left the room. (17:24:28) otis: do ou know each other, zsh and kubaff. (17:24:40) zsh: No (17:25:21) davehat: kubaff just left... (17:25:32) davehat: otis, have you read this?: <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamContact"> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamContact</a> (17:25:41) zsh: Its just nice to meet new ppl here (17:26:21) otis: yes, i was on that dave. (17:27:04) zsh: Could sum1 please email me a log of this meeting. <a href="mailto:Mianonjoka@gmail.com">Mianonjoka@gmail.com</a>. Thanks (17:28:07) otis: njoka,what tribe are you?just wondering. (17:28:43) zsh: I'm kenyan. :-) (17:28:52) zsh: Kikuyu (17:28:56) otis: l know,me too:) (17:28:57) davehat: so, not trying to push too hard, but what stage are you at otis? (17:29:46) davehat: Actually, could we email the log to the mailing list - that way we all get it. I think Kasina is the only one who has bee here throughout - can you do that ken? (17:29:55) zsh: From muranga actually (17:30:29) kasina: Sure (17:30:42) davehat: thanks (17:31:40) zsh: Btw, does anyone have an ubuntu dvd