I agree completely with topyli on this matter, and the atmosphere that has developed with #ubuntu-offtopic. Sure, the conversions aren't entirely related to Ubuntu 100% of the time, but when they are, it is a good mix of developers, users, and people learning things from all walks of the Ubuntu ecosystem or talking about their favorite irc client. I find the channel a comfortable place where you don't have to be there for a purpose, (helping in #ubuntu*, for example), other than socialize in the spirit of Ubuntu, not always on the topic of Ubuntu. I would be quite disappointed to have an #ubuntu-offtopic-offtopic for this. I am not sure if I have relayed anything new to this discussion, but those are my thoughts on the matter. Disclaimer: sent from my mobile -h00k <div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 13, 2010 2:53 PM, "Juha Siltala" <<a href="mailto:topyli@ubuntu.com">topyli@ubuntu.com</a>> wrote: </div>