Hi there Joe!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 1:15 AM, Joseph Price <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pricechild@gmail.com">pricechild@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Operator requirements, second line.<br>
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Could we change "be complaint with" to "support"? (or even uphold?)<br>
Sounds a lot friendlier and I think it more accurately describes what<br>
we are wanting to achieve. Compliant sounds very borg-ish.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Changed, thanks for the suggestion. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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This whole probation for new people idea... I say scrap it.<br>
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Instead... Everyone should be reviewed in the capacities they hold.<br>
Review everyone a few times a year. Review incidents as and when they<br>
happen. Deal with issues. New people aren't that special.<br>
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I also don't like how much of a formal process what is written down on<br>
that probation page seems...<br>
<br></blockquote><div>I think this is a separate idea. reviewing may need to be included, but should not exclude the probation period. </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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"Operators in the the Ubuntu Core operator Team will be required to<br>
mentor new operators "<br>
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That needs clarification. Does it mean that new operators require<br>
mentors? Or does it mean that ALL core operators have to mentor<br>
someone. English is evil.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thanks! Clarified, please let us know if you still feel its unclear. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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The operator application process....<br>
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What if X applies to be an operator in #ubuntu-Y, and the IRC Council<br>
decide "hey he's great, lets just say yes". Do they still have to go<br>
through that entire process needlessly just to say yes to him?<br>
<br></blockquote><div>I don't think this is necessary - When the need for new ops arises, then we should be adding people, not when someone good comes along. There are a lot of good people who could probably do the operator job well, however, if the operator team gets too large it becomes unwieldy and a case of too many cooks in the kitchen. </div>
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"discuss amongst themselves". Nothing public then? Could you at least<br>
make a promise to discuss it with the applicant? A promise of at least<br>
a reply saying "No, I'm sorry but we haven't seen enough of you in<br>
that channel" would be nice.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>When an applicant is declined on LP, there is an opportunity add a message - similar to what we used to do with the irc team applications. (another good reason we are using lp :] )</div>
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When I was on the IRCC, for every 1 reasonably applicant, there were 9<br>
who nobody had ever heard of. We rejected those and I politely<br>
explained that we hadn't seen anything of them, what we looked for in<br>
an operator, and also to give details on how to contact me to discuss.<br>
I don't see a possiblity of that in this process.<br>
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There seems to be no way for the IRC Council to say "no". There is no<br>
feedback mechanism in there other than "congratulations, you win". If<br>
you want to document this process... you need to have a way for you to<br>
reject people.<br>
<br></blockquote><div>Now fixed, thanks for the feedback. </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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And finally, my favourite point.... when is<br>
<a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/IrcCouncil" target="_blank">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/IrcCouncil</a> going to be finished and<br>
approved? It has been *MONTHS*. I said it needed to be done before the<br>
council election... we still haven't got it.<br>
<br></blockquote><div>Please talk to the community council about this matter :) That said, I suspect this will be sorted in the near future. </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Pricey<br>
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<br></blockquote><div>Cheers! Hope this helps explain and I hope our changes are helpful. please don't hesitate to email again if you have something more.</div><div><br></div><div>Jussi </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
2010/1/25 Tony Yarusso <<a href="mailto:tonyyarusso@gmail.com">tonyyarusso@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5">> On Monday, January 25, 2010, Jussi Schultink <<a href="mailto:jussi01@ubuntu.com">jussi01@ubuntu.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> You can find the wiki page here: <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorRequirements" target="_blank">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorRequirements</a><br>
>> Feedback can be sent to the Ubuntu IRC Council - <a href="mailto:irc-council@lists.ubuntu.com">irc-council@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br>
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>> Cheers<br>
>> Jussi & the IRCC team.<br>
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> My only feedback is on this statement. Why would you ask for<br>
> discussion of a community governance document to take place on a list<br>
> that its members can't even read, much less participate on? The IRC<br>
> Council mailing list is supposed to exist only to provide a space for<br>
> the discussion of highly sensitive matters within the ban appeals<br>
> process and similar, not to make all activity about IRC governance<br>
> restricted from the public and the majority of operators. Rather,<br>
> discussion should take place on this list, where it is more<br>
> appropriate.<br>
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> - Tony Yarusso<br>
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