Michael, Thanks for the message. I wanted to respond to you and let you know that its being looked at, and considered. I don't want that your ideas go unnoticed. These guidelines do not change easily, without due consideration and community involvement, so it may take some time. Thanks Jussi Schultink IRC Council <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Michael Lustfield <<a href="mailto:mtecknology@ubuntu.com">mtecknology@ubuntu.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I was looking at the IRC Guidelines wiki [1]. I noticed a few changes that I think should take place. Most of these are very trivial but add to an easier read. Some of these points may need some deeper discussion but I really feel some extra pieces need to be added. These sections are to guide both ops and users and to help draw a firmer line that I feel is being broken. - Please note that these are my suggestions and I'm not trying to imply anything else other than what I'm clearly stating. I also think a section should be added about specifics of language. I've seen many removals happen when they shouldn't and many removals not happen when they should for language. A clear line really needs to be drawn. I'm not saying we need every bad word listed. What I'm saying amounts to something like this. "Swearing is NEVER acceptable in the Ubuntu domain. Using it will result in a kick or ban, usually coming after a warning. However, slang is acceptable provided it is not in excessive use. Nobody wants to hear 'dang, [what surprised you]' on every line." The word "hell" should also be clearing defined. My personal stance is that the word is not ok to use. It is swearing unless you are using it in a religious sense. However, if this is the case, then it goes against the religion part of o4o. In some countries the word is only swearing, but then again, we're back to swearing. Section: Preamble "channel do lots of work" 'lots' should be 'a lot' "because they adhere" 'they' should be 'the users' because this is in a new paragraph and not directly implied. "especially since the" s/since/because/ "Please also be aware" s/also// Section: Don't flood the channel "use the pastebin" s/the// Section: Bot abuse "or calling lots of triggers" s/lots/many/ Section: Don't abuse the !ops trigger "channel abuse (flooding, trolling etc...)." There should only be one dot after "etc" because of the meaning of etcetera which is "and so on". There should also be a comma after trolling. I believe the period after the parenthesis should come before and not after. "If you do it repeatedly, you may be removed." I think this should be revised because unless the user is very new, inappropriate use of this usually results in a removal the first time. This may be a better option? "Abusing this trigger for other things will result in removal from the channel." Section: Here are several common questions [...] Change "Cursing and swearing will not help, so please don't do that." to "Cursing and swearing will not help; please use respectful language." "welcome to join the operators channel" You may want to add what the operators channel is within this paragraph rather than implying it in the next. You may also want to add a note about this being an ops only channel excluding issues. It may be a good idea to add the -irc channel as well. After the final section, there should probably be some added white space before the following paragraphs to ensure separation. I initially thought this was part of the same section. I hope these suggestions are taken in the same manner I write them and that many of you feel the same. Perhaps I didn't catch everything or correct it the best. I just read the whole thing and pointed out the parts that didn't flow and mentioned part I think should be added. :) [1] <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines" target="_blank">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines</a> - -- Michael Lustfield Kalliki, SD LoCo -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkpsgVoACgkQ3y7Nst6YLGUjIACfQEYwQVuJVUFPhNkJFRAFHDfc RfAAn2j6P5V2QZEfXa2dW8t0TY2FGzQU =jNKJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ubuntu-irc mailing list <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-irc@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-irc@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-irc" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-irc</a> </blockquote></div>