New roles in the Ubuntu IRC team

[Chris Oattes]

On 28 Oct 2011, at 14:32, Juha Siltala <topyli at ubuntu.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 16:16, Chris Oattes <mailinglist at cjo20.net> wrote:
>> 
>> On 28 Oct 2011, at 13:59, Juha Siltala <topyli at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Chris,
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 15:39, Chris Oattes <mailinglist at cjo20.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> However, I still seem to have to remind you that getting rid of the
>>> IRCC is not a feasible proposition. We can empower the team more, but
>>> there needs to be a body which communicates with freenode and resolves
>>> disputes.
>>> 
>>> Democracy is something you'll easier find elsewhere, sorry.
>> 
>> It is feasible. IRC went from essentially being run by one person to a bureaucratic mess. There is a happy middle ground. As I have suggested, and you seem to have neglected to read, you could still set up a separate conflict resolution team. My memory is a little hazy, but I believe a separate conflict resolution team was originally Jussi's idea, before the IRCC was introduced. The same could apply to freenode GCs, nominate 4 people and they can do that job (you do like delegation, don't you?). There isn't a good reason that the people that make decisions, communicate with freenode and provide conflict resolution need to be the same people. Indeed, from the sounds of the posts in the thread, the IRCC would struggle to devote enough time to comprehensively cover any one of these tasks.
> 
> Sounds like you are advocating *two* IRC Councils instead of one. Are
> you quite sure we want this?
> 
> 

How on earth do you get from what I said to that?

Its simple. The community makes decisions / does all the jobs you want them to do anyway. The GC team relays these decisions to freenode where appropriate. The conflict resolution team deals only with conflict resolution. I'm not sure how that equates to two IRC councils. 

This would be far more open, and easier to trace at what point breakdowns are occurring, rather than somewhere inside the black box that is the IRCC at the moment. 

Chris (Seeker`)