New roles in the Ubuntu IRC team

[Juha Siltala]

Hi Chris,

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 15:43,  <chris at cjo20.net> wrote:
> It seems that the list of duties is basically a list of things that the
> IRCC should be doing themselves already. If they are saying 'we do not
> have enough time to be doing the things we should be doing', then there
> either needs to be

That is why this proposal exists, to fix the above. Delegation is
appropriate when work is overwhelming the current workforce.

> a) A different set of people on the IRCC

This is doable via elections, no change needed in policy or organization.

> b) More people on the IRCC

The IRCC is currently set to five members. We cannot change that, but
we can request the CC to change it. Frankly, I would not do it. Bigger
councils are less effective, not more, in making policy decisions.
Ensuring that stuff gets done, which is the meaning of the current
proposal, is a better way forward. Growing the Council can harm the
parts of our process that still *do* work, and will not improve the
stuff we're failing at.

> c) No IRCC.

The IRCC exists by mandate from the Community Council, and they can of
course get rid of it. We can not just dissolve ourselves. There are
other problems with this option as well:

* freenode requires groups such as Ubuntu to have a set of Group
Contacts. The IRCC enables us to work on freenode. If you want to call
the Group Contacts assembly by some other name than "IRCC", fine. But
we can't get rid of it.

* As you say below yourself, we need a body with the ability of
resolving conflicts. Again, you can call it by some other name than
"IRCC", but we can't get rid of it.

> That way individuals cannot block
> progress on specific items (It was, quite frankly, amazing just how many
> meetings Jussi couldn't make when there was a topic of discussion on the
> agenda which disagreed with his viewpoint, yet "couldn't" be discussed
> without him present as he was interested in the matter).

This is an unfounded, personal attack and not very becoming of members
of our community. I hope I don't have to see this kind of slander
again. You don't know why any certain person might be away for a
while, and no, you are not welcome to make malign guesses.

More to the point, we will not have democracy in Ubuntu, it will not
work. And we certainly will not have the kind of free-for-all that you
are proposing.

-- 
Juha Siltala
http://ubuntu.com