IRC operator requirements

[Joseph Price]

Operator requirements, second line.

Could we change "be complaint with" to "support"? (or even uphold?)
Sounds a lot friendlier and I think it more accurately describes what
we are wanting to achieve. Compliant sounds very borg-ish.

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This whole probation for new people idea... I say scrap it.

Instead... Everyone should be reviewed in the capacities they hold.
Review everyone a few times a year. Review incidents as and when they
happen. Deal with issues. New people aren't that special.

I also don't like how much of a formal process what is written down on
that probation page seems...

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"Operators in the the Ubuntu Core operator Team will be required to
mentor new operators "

That needs clarification. Does it mean that new operators require
mentors? Or does it mean that ALL core operators have to mentor
someone. English is evil.

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The operator application process....

What if X applies to be an operator in #ubuntu-Y, and the IRC Council
decide "hey he's great, lets just say yes". Do they still have to go
through that entire process needlessly just to say yes to him?

"discuss amongst themselves". Nothing public then? Could you at least
make a promise to discuss it with the applicant? A promise of at least
a reply saying "No, I'm sorry but we haven't seen enough of you in
that channel" would be nice.

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When I was on the IRCC, for every 1 reasonably applicant, there were 9
who nobody had ever heard of. We rejected those and I politely
explained that we hadn't seen anything of them, what we looked for in
an operator, and also to give details on how to contact me to discuss.
I don't see a possiblity of that in this process.

There seems to be no way for the IRC Council to say "no". There is no
feedback mechanism in there other than "congratulations, you win". If
you want to document this process... you need to have a way for you to
reject people.

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And finally, my favourite point.... when is
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/IrcCouncil going to be finished and
approved? It has been *MONTHS*. I said it needed to be done before the
council election... we still haven't got it.

Pricey


2010/1/25 Tony Yarusso <tonyyarusso at gmail.com>:
> On Monday, January 25, 2010, Jussi Schultink <jussi01 at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>> You can find the wiki page here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorRequirements
>> Feedback can be sent to the Ubuntu IRC Council - irc-council at lists.ubuntu.com
>>
>> Cheers
>> Jussi & the IRCC team.
>
> My only feedback is on this statement.  Why would you ask for
> discussion of a community governance document to take place on a list
> that its members can't even read, much less participate on?  The IRC
> Council mailing list is supposed to exist only to provide a space for
> the discussion of highly sensitive matters within the ban appeals
> process and similar, not to make all activity about IRC governance
> restricted from the public and the majority of operators.  Rather,
> discussion should take place on this list, where it is more
> appropriate.
>
>  - Tony Yarusso
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