Ubuntu Opinions

[Joseph Price]

Ugh of course there're many definitions of elitism. Please don't mail
me quoting them.

I meant..

'i wouldn't be suprised to see a definition of elitism containing a
description of..'

On 2/2/10, Joseph Price <pricechild at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>> nobody needs to complain about it being an elitist channel.
>
> Wow.. If there was a definition of elitism, i wouldn't be surprised to
> find a description of a +m channel full of  +o ops, with the ops
> having the decision about who gets to speak.
>
> What is wrong with idle chit chat?
>
> Ops are not special. We are all users of the ubuntu channels.
>
> On 2/2/10, Michael Lustfield <mtecknology at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>> I'm having a few issues with this discussion as a whole... I know where
>> non-op opinions usually wind up so if any ops agree, feel free to
>> repeat.
>>
>> This thread is on ubuntu-irc@ so why doesn't discussing the thread
>> occur on #ubuntu-irc.
>>
>> #ubuntu-irc is a great place for ops of all channels to discuss things.
>>
>> #ubuntu-ops should be used:
>>   for issue resolution of core channels only
>>
>> #ubuntu-irc should be used:
>>   to request cloaks
>>   for op related discussions
>>   information about possible issues (paraphrase what winds up in -ops)
>>   for ops from other non-core channels to discuss things
>>
>> My opinion of #ubuntu-ops is:
>>   /mode #ubuntu-ops +mz
>>   /mode ops +o
>>   /mode bots +o
>>
>> It's a very simple solution that offers the following:
>>   Let users idle in there for whatever purpose they see fit:
>>     Mention something quickly to ops
>>       No need for the annoying !ops call
>>       Which seems to encourage some spammers when there is a delay in
>>     Mention something going on in a discussion that they feel they can
>>       contribute to
>>   Anyone going in there for a resolution will not be met with non-op
>> discussion
>>     Users can contribute to discussions without being rude to the one
>>       being discussed
>>   No idle chit-chat would take place
>>   If a discussion should be open then -m is easy enough to apply
>>   If somebody comes in to dispute anything only ops will see the
>>     communication between that user; others will only see what ops say
>>   Nobody needs to complain about it being an elitist channel.
>>   If you really need a private channel you can still do so
>>     (/join #ubuntu-dispute-random; /mode +i; /invite user&staff)
>>   It would encourage ops to handle things well with the community
>> watching
>>
>> #ubuntu-irc is severely underutilized.
>> It is meant to be multi-lingual but it is not
>> Other -op channels in the #ubuntu namespace should probably make an
>>   attempt to pipe discussions here
>> A little odd, but I think non-ubots should be able to exist in here
>> Perhaps only if the ircteam user is permitted some access/control
>>   to the bot and possibly the channel
>> We should us this as a ban forward channel
>>   I've done this in the past and it worked well because other ops could
>>     pitch in their opinions
>>
>> An ops lounge:
>>   I hate this idea.
>>   If ops want a place to hang out and chatter then they should use
>> #ubuntu-offtopic
>>   If -offtopic is to chaotic for general chit chat among ops then this
>>     needs to be fixed in -offtopic, not an additional channel
>>
>> #ubuntu-offtopic:
>>   This channel is so ugly that public logging is strongly discouraged.
>>   Many ops even feel that this channel is in a horrible state
>>   Even some Freenode staff feels the channel should be pinched
>>   Only a few ops like the channel and few of those are regulars
>>   I agree that the channel should be pinched
>>
>> the alternative..
>>
>> #ubuntu-chat:
>>   For ubuntu related chatter
>>   An ops lounge (let ops stay +v here)
>>   Tech related chatter
>>   Allow little bits of support and direction
>>     Let the user know they shouldn't expect support but some may be
>>       willing to offer it here
>>   If something is off-the-wall in here it should be redirected to
>> #defocus
>>
>> #defocus:
>>   Most conversations currently in #ubuntu-offtopic belong in #defocus
>>   If somebody doesn't like the new rule of #ubuntu-chat, let them go
>> here
>>
>>
>> Obviously my opinions can be built on to make them better. If your
>> opinion is simply an outright "no" then perhaps you should re-evaluate
>> where your opinion is coming from. Are you that deeply opposed to
>> change that any alteration is horrible? If you disagree with something,
>> please contribute to why it's a bad idea. Perhaps offer a suggestion to
>> alter this so it makes better sense.
>>
>> I've said all of this before and other ops have mentioned it. It seems
>> to come down to many people not wanting to put an effort in for a
>> change and just opposing it for that reason.
>>
>> This is a big list of random thoughts. If you reply to just one piece
>> please at least keep all relevant pieces with it. I have a feeling how
>> this will message will wind up being handled but I hope that it can
>> spark something good to happen anyway.
>>
>> --
>> Michael Lustfield
>> Kalliki Software
>>
>> Network and Systems Administrator
>>
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