Stepping down from the IRC team

[Martin Meredith]

On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 08:24:15PM +0100, Martin Meredith wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 08:38:31AM -0500, Michael Lustfield wrote:
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> > On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 14:17:35 +0100
> > Matt Darcy <ubuntu.lists at projecthugo.co.uk> wrote:
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> > > 
> > > 
> > > Michael Lustfield wrote:
> > > > To be perfectly honest - I didn't intend to reply to this at all. I
> > > > want to say something though..
> > > > 
> > > > I've noticed this trend in some ops. Especially some of the older ones.
> > > > It's these ops that make me reconsider my stance in the community. On
> > > > the other hand, some of the more important ops have strongly upheld the
> > > > meaning of Ubuntu.
> > > > 
> > > > Unfortunately, it seems to be the attitude of these poor ops that is
> > > > coming to reflect the attitude of the community.
> > > > 
> > > > As I'm typing this I'm reading a message from Dave whom I regard as
> > > > a very good op. I'll drop it at that.
> > > > 
> > > > On Thu, 3 Sep 2009 11:57:13 +0100
> > > > Martin Meredith <mez at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >> To whom it may concern,
> > > > 
> > > >> Over the last few months, my interactions with the rest of the team seem to be
> > > >> moving along the path where I no longer feel that I can be a part of the IRC
> > > >> team any longer.  The current attitude within the team feels to me to be an
> > > >> elitist one, and that every comment, every action is scrutinised and jumped upon
> > > >> if it's not the "one true path".
> > > > 
> > > >> I rarely talk anymore within the Ubuntu Ops channel, as anytime I have done,
> > > >> I'm made to feel as if I've done something wrong.
> > > > 
> > > >> I believe myself to be a good operator, and I tend to try and do things in a
> > > >> different way to the rest of the team, trying to mediate, rather than just to
> > > >> kick and ban.  However, I feel that I no longer have (and possibly never have had)
> > > >> the rest of the team behind my actions.
> > > > 
> > > >> For this, and the general disillusionment and disenchantment that I feel within
> > > >> the team, I respectfully step down from my position as operator.
> > > > 
> > > >> --
> > > >> Regards,
> > > >> Martin "Mez" Meredith
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > Guys,
> > > 
> > > If this is a genuine issue - which is sounds like it is, call it out, if
> > > you feel some ops have the wrong attitude/path call it and why - lets
> > > discuss it openly rather than through clouded "some ops have this"
> > > "others upheld the spirit" etc, from a personal point I'm very open to
> > > critisism and from a team point I don't see why not, but if there is
> > > going to be a moan, then lets be frank about it call it out. If a
> > > mailing list is not the most appropriate place, which it probably isn't
> > > due to how public it is, then lets maybe get together for an IRC meeting
> > > and chat it through.
> > > 
> > > Matt
> > > 
> > 
> > I've complained about LjL and pleia2 previously. That seemed to fall on
> > deaf ears as well as other ops ignoring the point of what I was saying.
> > They're not the only ones I have issues with, although LjL does seem to
> > have changed his attitude somewhat.
> > 
> > I'm not going to take this further though, I'm sure Mez can go into
> > much more detail than I can anyway.
> 
> Michael, I think you're over-reacting here.
> 
> There may be a problem within a small subset of the community, but that's just a
> small subset of the community.  Ubuntu, as a whole, is still as awesome as it
> ever was.


Ok, so i icked the wrong thing to reply to :D I meant to reply to his "I'm
leaving ubuntu" post.