Communications 2.0

[Jasper Backer]

On 03-05-16 09:59, Tim wrote:
> Yes but we half half a dozen core team members mostly team leaders who have refused to use IRC (for years), yet have embraced slack. The invite
> situation is crap, but there are ways around that (auto-invite scripts). I think using IRC is less critical for the teams that don't really have
> to interact with the rest of the Ubuntu Sphere. We can also potentially bridge the two channels using a bot also. And at the end of the day if
> it really takes of we can move to matterhost, so long as we can arrange hosting.
Hmm. Maybe bridging the two together would work, but I wouldn't use the 
current existing channels for that (e.g. open new channels for the 
integration so one can choose which one to join).
> If you joined the list today, you would need to import the archives into your email client, certainly possible with Thunderbird, no idea if its
> possible with webmail like gmail. And clearly not obvious for someone who is new to email lists!
Yup. Valid point. I don't care too much for 'directly accessible' 
history though, if I need something, a web search often also indexes 
these historical mails.
>>
> You did see the mock-ups in the other email right?
> https://www.behance.net/gallery/35183935/ubuntugnomeorg-the-redesign-V2
That does look super nice. :) Very slick.
>> Hmm, I know for certainty that Discourse can work decently for 'long stretched discussions' - It's just not for us I think. It's also a bad
>> development I think that some refuse to use IRC or 'traditional methods' in favor of something much less easily accessible (Slack). I do quite
>> like Slack and Discourse, but I doubt if they're for us do their more closed nature (well, Slack more than Discourse, the latter still could
>> be feasible for e.g. newcomers, assuming we can get a lively community there).
> We have been trying to push users onto the traditional methods for years, it has not worked! These users love slack (I mainly just connect from
> my IRC client so loose all the fancy features, and its just another channel). IRC is critical for Development and QA leads, there are many
> others outside that group (design, marketing, wiki, general testing) that just don't use IRC
> How is discourse closed?
>>
Then it is what it is, I assume. Maybe some wrong wording by me here, I 
meant slack = closed (as in, requires invite etc), Discourse is 
accessible a lot easier.
> I think most of the 'unwelcoming' goes towards new users that come in and suggest massive changes to the project. They then go on a trolling
> rage when they don't get their way. Part of my thinking if would be much easier for new contributors if there was a central visible list of
> tasks that need doing. They can start small, become known/respected amongst the community and then work there way up though the community if
> they are so inclined.
Hmm if that's really happening, that's quite sad. "unwelcoming" in the 
sense of "too many unclear hoops to jump through" in my case.