Ubuntu-GNOME and Snaps/Flatpak

Bernard Tremblay tremblay.bernard at gmail.com
Wed Jun 15 18:28:45 UTC 2016

For the flatpak, it relies on a runtime of gnome version 3.20 actually.
When you will start an app on  your current gnome 3.18, the runtime will
replace the gnome-session with the 3.20 version.  I don't think you could
replace gdm since it's a service not an application.  And if you have
dependencies with systemd of a different version than the current version
on you host, I don't know what it'll do ???  We need to experiment to have
a better understanding of those new package format.

2016-06-15 12:27 GMT-04:00 Leo Francisco <lists at boywithwings.co.uk>:

> Yep, I assumed that would the case for the GNOME shell itself but I was
> thinking it could be more useful for the apps.
> I know Ubuntu GNOME ships a lot of the older GNOME apps, Nautilus is
> 3.14.3 etc. Is this due to dependency incompatibilities with the Ubuntu
> repos?
> Sounds like a lot of work to keep stuff working when you could just use
> upstream via these new package formats. Something to keep an eye on
> perhaps.
> All the best
> Leo
> On 15/06/16 16:54, Paul Smith wrote:
> > On Wed, 2016-06-15 at 13:29 +0100, Adam Eveleigh wrote:
> >>> Snaps are already supported in the 16.04 base, you can play with them
> >>> now. It's just an idea, but maybe either snaps or XDG would make it
> >>> easier to run the latest version of GNOME 3 desktop/apps under Ubuntu.
> >> Yes I like that idea. It could be more stable for Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
> >> users to use more recent GNOME applications via Flatpak rather than
> >> the PPA (the PPA could be kept, but if it works well then perhaps
> >> Flatpak should be the recommended option).
> > First, my understanding of the GNOME3 Staging PPA is that it's a
> > testing area for the next release of Ubuntu GNOME.  People using that
> > PPA are, to some extent, volunteering to help test the next Ubuntu
> > GNOME release.
> >
> > I think switching to snaps would defeat that purpose, unless we plan to
> > switch the base Ubuntu GNOME installation to snaps.
> >
> > Second, I'm not at all sure that putting the entire desktop in a snap
> > would work.  I mean, how do you get the system to start the display
> > manager in the snap instead of the one on the system?  Or if you decide
> > you'll use the system GDM, how do you tell it to start the desktop
> > (gnome-session/gnome-shell/etc.) in the snap?  And is it always the
> > case that the dbus etc. interactions will be compatible?
> >
> > The desktop is infrastructural, not a separable app that can easily be
> > dropped into a container with limited access to other aspects of the
> > system.  I'm not sure I see how these new-fangled package formats would
> > work with something like that.
> >
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