Tim darkxst at
Sun Feb 28 10:42:03 UTC 2016

On 28/02/16 21:07, Narcis Garcia wrote:
> The world is not black + white, but our right to decide our freedom is.
> Why you aren't publishing Slack source code?
> Will this question drive us to the two models discussion?
I have nothing to do with slack, and I certainly don't have access to the source code. The world is driven by economics, developers need to be
paid, and many of those are working for companies that would be classified evil by freedom purists,  even though they are working on open source

Stallman's idea of freedom is a fantasy world where grey bearded men live in their mothers garages and code for free.
> We are here for Ubuntu & Gnome projects, and the first principle is IT
> freedom, not sparkly features.
> Let's do a better community communication tool with FLOSS.
> (or release Slack source code as FLOSS)
What does IT freedom have to do with Ubuntu GNOME? It certainly was not one of the goals we set, when founding the project. It was all about
building a community/contributors around GNOME in Ubuntu (and initially upstream as well, though that never really worked out so much).

All we are talking about is a optional communication tool, its not the end of the world if that tool is not FLOSS, and really no one would
complain if we hosted our code on github. No one complains when we post on Facebook or g+.

And who is going to write/host/support/maintain said FLOSS tool? Its only been 2-3 years and we still dont have the new website.

Anyway I have had enough of this conversation, lets just scrap the whole idea, and leave it how it is for another few years. 

> El 28/02/16 a les 10:53, Tim ha escrit:
>> On 28/02/16 20:39, Narcis Garcia wrote:
>>> I don't understand why we discussing here about changing free software
>>> model by privative software model.
>> We are not talking about changing the software model.
>>> Tim, I feel that this list is intended to a (composed) FLOSS project and
>>> its growing with this model, and not for proprietary proposals
>>> discussing advantadges of privative software model.
>> Ubuntu GNOME is fully FLOSS, and always will be, but I see little reason to disqualify proprietry services that can help out our project, purely
>> on political/freedom grounds
>>> You can create a Slack channel called something like
>>> "floss-vs-proprietary" and invite people to thiscuss this subject there,
>>> and not here.
>>> Here it's becoming like discussing football advantadges in a chess
>>> factory mailing list. We've already decided to contribute and grow FLOSS
>>> model.
>> You do realise that many of the big proprietry service providers are heavy contributors to the open source world right? my email provider
>> commits all their changes to cyrus (email server) but the service is proprietry. Crossover are the top contributors to Wine, yet its a
>> proprietry product. Apple maintain Webkit which is used by quite a few GNOME apps. Yet you will notice that most of these are under BSD/MIT type
>> more permissive licenses, the world is not black + white like Stallman might have you believe.
>>> FLOSS community can be wrong, but many people have already taken a
>>> decision about their freedom. Contrary to this, most of proprietary
>>> software&services users hadn't the opportunity to take same decision
>>> about their freedom.
>>> El 28/02/16 a les 10:06, Usama Akkad ha escrit:
>>>> I asked a question: for now to see what is going on with Ubuntu Gnome we
>>>> visit this link.
>>>> no registration required, publicly visible and indexed by search engines.
>>>> How communication in Slack would be compared to that?
>>>> On 28-02-2016 00:34, Tim wrote:
>>>>> On 27/02/16 22:11, Usama Akkad wrote:
>>>>>> Will slack allow more communications to be hidden from the public too?
>>>>>> If so this is another thing that we should use try to avoid. 
>>>>> How did you come to that conclusion? We are not trying to hide communications, more the opposite, to make it easier for new comers to catch up
>>>>> on things.

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