Slack

Narcis Garcia informatica at actiu.net
Sat Feb 27 11:03:48 UTC 2016


GNU/Linux works better because of permanent community survey and
discussion. It's not possible with closed source tools.


El 27/02/16 a les 11:44, Alfredo Hernández ha escrit:
> Some people choose GNU/Linux because it works better, simple as that.
> The purpose and inception of Ubuntu GNOME was not to offer a free
> desktop, but a desktop that works better than the alternatives.
> 
> On 27 Feb 2016 11:30 am, "Narcis Garcia" <informatica at actiu.net
> <mailto:informatica at actiu.net>> wrote:
> 
>     Tim, you are discussing basic principles that concern Ubuntu and Gnome
>     projects too.
> 
>     IT freedom is very important for people: to control and decide what your
>     devices do with your data and communications. Privative software
>     (gratuitous too) acts the same way as privative services (gratuitous
>     too); then I want to put at same level the choose of freedom of software
>     and freedom of services.
> 
>     Why do many people choose GIMP instead of Adobe?
>     Why do many people choose HTML instead of Flash?
>     Why do many people choose mailing lists instead of hosted forums?
> 
>     Why do we choose Ubuntu and Gnome instead of Windows (embedded too)?
> 
> 
>     El 27/02/16 a les 10:39, Tim ha escrit:
>     >
>     >
>     > On 27/02/16 20:19, Narcis Garcia wrote:
>     >> People is discussing two completely different focuses:
>     >> Freedom and Gratuity.
>     >>
>     >> These kind of services (they are services, not software products)
>     >> gratuity is ever incompatible with freedom (considering personal
>     data as
>     >> a monetary value to trade with).
>     > Yes, I am not a fan of further fragmenting the comms channels, but
>     people ask for these things, and I guess if it takes off, it could
>     be better.
>     >>
>     >> I prefer GNU/Linux (including Ubuntu and Gnome) than Windows or MacOS
>     >> because of freedom matter, including better control over my
>     contacts, my
>     >> documents and logs, my localization, preferences, activities, etc.
>     > Freedom comes at a cost, GPL is like a cancer, while it really got
>     the whole open source movement going, these days it seems to cause
>     more harm
>     > than good. I predict it will be obsolete in 10 years. I think in
>     the long term the more permissive BSD/MIT licenses will win out, but
>     that is
>     > just my opinion.
>     >>
>     >> Services with AGPL licenses concern this matter too.
>     >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_software_under_the_GNU_AGPL
>     > It should be pretty clear by now that open standard services are a
>     non-starter look what happened to XMPP, look at what github has done
>     > proprietry extensions.
>     >
>     > Then consider the AGPL is incompatible with GPL, GPLv3 is a mess
>     and incompatible with GPLv2. Its a minefield out there, The freedom
>     that GNU
>     > promotes is costing more than the actual freedom gained.
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> El 27/02/16 a les 06:18, Khurshid Alam ha escrit:
>     >>> Hi,
>     >>>
>     >>> Slack is quite efficient I think. You can have moderated
>     channels and
>     >>> public channels (still requires a slack id though). It is always
>     better
>     >>> to go with something that have some sort of notification systems for
>     >>> mobile and desktops. Free service includes browsing 10k most recent
>     >>> messages (rest are archived). Shouldn't that be enough?
>     >>>
>     >>> Btw, is there a telegram group for Ubuntu-Gnome? I couldn't find
>     it. May
>     >>> I also join?
>     >>>
>     >>> Thanks.
>     >>>
>     >>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Leo Francisco
>     <lists at boywithwings.co.uk <mailto:lists at boywithwings.co.uk>
>     >>> <mailto:lists at boywithwings.co.uk
>     <mailto:lists at boywithwings.co.uk>>> wrote:
>     >>>
>     >>>     Thanks for that Popey. Will have a play with Mattermost when
>     I get a
>     >>>     chance.
>     >>>
>     >>>     We should have a look at this, even if it's just for fun.
>     >>>
>     >>>     Leo
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>     On 19/02/16 13:32, Alan Pope wrote:
>     >>>     > On 19 February 2016 at 13:14, Leo Francisco
>     <lists at boywithwings.co.uk <mailto:lists at boywithwings.co.uk>
>     <mailto:lists at boywithwings.co.uk <mailto:lists at boywithwings.co.uk>>>
>     wrote:
>     >>>     >> There are open source alternatives that may be worth
>     exploring
>     >>>     >> MatterMost and RocketChat. There's so much hype around
>     Slack atm, not
>     >>>     >> sure what the long term viability of it is. It's
>     basically fancy modern
>     >>>     >> proprietary IRC.
>     >>>     >>
>     >>>     >> I would always be more enthused by an open source
>     solution for the usual
>     >>>     >> reasons.
>     >>>     >>
>     >>>     > On the community team we've been evaluating some of these
>     new /
>     >>>     > fashionable / interesting methods of communication. Slack
>     is already
>     >>>     > available at the following URL, but requires an @ubuntu or
>     @canonical
>     >>>     > email address I believe. It might be possible to be
>     invited to join if
>     >>>     > you don't have one of those though, they're just the
>     pre-configured
>     >>>     > domains I believe.
>     >>>     >
>     >>>     > http://ubuntu.slack.com/
>     >>>     >
>     >>>     > We've also been looking at Mattermost, which is a free
>     software tool
>     >>>     > very much like Slack. I spun up a test instance at the
>     following URL
>     >>>     > which people are welcome to play with:-
>     >>>     >
>     >>>     > https://mattermost.popey.com/ubuntu/
>     >>>     >
>     >>>     > No guarantees it will stay up, as we're just evaluating
>     it, but feel
>     >>>     > free to join and have a poke around or make a channel for your
>     >>>     > team/group.
>     >>>     >
>     >>>     > Cheers,
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
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