Slack

Narcis Garcia informatica at actiu.net
Sat Feb 27 10:30:21 UTC 2016


Tim, you are discussing basic principles that concern Ubuntu and Gnome
projects too.

IT freedom is very important for people: to control and decide what your
devices do with your data and communications. Privative software
(gratuitous too) acts the same way as privative services (gratuitous
too); then I want to put at same level the choose of freedom of software
and freedom of services.

Why do many people choose GIMP instead of Adobe?
Why do many people choose HTML instead of Flash?
Why do many people choose mailing lists instead of hosted forums?

Why do we choose Ubuntu and Gnome instead of Windows (embedded too)?


El 27/02/16 a les 10:39, Tim ha escrit:
> 
> 
> On 27/02/16 20:19, Narcis Garcia wrote:
>> People is discussing two completely different focuses:
>> Freedom and Gratuity.
>>
>> These kind of services (they are services, not software products)
>> gratuity is ever incompatible with freedom (considering personal data as
>> a monetary value to trade with).
> Yes, I am not a fan of further fragmenting the comms channels, but people ask for these things, and I guess if it takes off, it could be better.
>>
>> I prefer GNU/Linux (including Ubuntu and Gnome) than Windows or MacOS
>> because of freedom matter, including better control over my contacts, my
>> documents and logs, my localization, preferences, activities, etc.
> Freedom comes at a cost, GPL is like a cancer, while it really got the whole open source movement going, these days it seems to cause more harm
> than good. I predict it will be obsolete in 10 years. I think in the long term the more permissive BSD/MIT licenses will win out, but that is
> just my opinion.
>>
>> Services with AGPL licenses concern this matter too.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_software_under_the_GNU_AGPL
> It should be pretty clear by now that open standard services are a non-starter look what happened to XMPP, look at what github has done
> proprietry extensions.
> 
> Then consider the AGPL is incompatible with GPL, GPLv3 is a mess and incompatible with GPLv2. Its a minefield out there, The freedom that GNU
> promotes is costing more than the actual freedom gained.
>>
>>
>>
>> El 27/02/16 a les 06:18, Khurshid Alam ha escrit:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Slack is quite efficient I think. You can have moderated channels and
>>> public channels (still requires a slack id though). It is always better
>>> to go with something that have some sort of notification systems for
>>> mobile and desktops. Free service includes browsing 10k most recent
>>> messages (rest are archived). Shouldn't that be enough?
>>>
>>> Btw, is there a telegram group for Ubuntu-Gnome? I couldn't find it. May
>>> I also join?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Leo Francisco <lists at boywithwings.co.uk
>>> <mailto:lists at boywithwings.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Thanks for that Popey. Will have a play with Mattermost when I get a
>>>     chance.
>>>
>>>     We should have a look at this, even if it's just for fun.
>>>
>>>     Leo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 19/02/16 13:32, Alan Pope wrote:
>>>     > On 19 February 2016 at 13:14, Leo Francisco <lists at boywithwings.co.uk <mailto:lists at boywithwings.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>     >> There are open source alternatives that may be worth exploring
>>>     >> MatterMost and RocketChat. There's so much hype around Slack atm, not
>>>     >> sure what the long term viability of it is. It's basically fancy modern
>>>     >> proprietary IRC.
>>>     >>
>>>     >> I would always be more enthused by an open source solution for the usual
>>>     >> reasons.
>>>     >>
>>>     > On the community team we've been evaluating some of these new /
>>>     > fashionable / interesting methods of communication. Slack is already
>>>     > available at the following URL, but requires an @ubuntu or @canonical
>>>     > email address I believe. It might be possible to be invited to join if
>>>     > you don't have one of those though, they're just the pre-configured
>>>     > domains I believe.
>>>     >
>>>     > http://ubuntu.slack.com/
>>>     >
>>>     > We've also been looking at Mattermost, which is a free software tool
>>>     > very much like Slack. I spun up a test instance at the following URL
>>>     > which people are welcome to play with:-
>>>     >
>>>     > https://mattermost.popey.com/ubuntu/
>>>     >
>>>     > No guarantees it will stay up, as we're just evaluating it, but feel
>>>     > free to join and have a poke around or make a channel for your
>>>     > team/group.
>>>     >
>>>     > Cheers,
>>>
>>>
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