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Andrés Muñiz Piniella a75576 at alumni.tecnun.es
Fri Jun 26 23:07:50 UTC 2015 


El 26 de junio de 2015 17:15:26 GMT+01:00, Keith Grider <keith.grider at gmail.com> escribió:
>I agree, but please tell me what the name is... If that is in the 'help
>->
>about' graphic, that is fine, but please tell me what it is.
>


+1 
This would help me and those I potentially support.  


>keith
>
>On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Alfredo Hernández <
>aldomann.designs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I agree with Julien. Our purpose is to give a pure GNOME experience.
>The
>> average user doesn't care if they are using Totem or VLC, they want a
>Video
>> Player and they will most probably have only one video player
>installed.
>>
>> On 26 June 2015 at 17:33, Julien Olivier <julo42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Yes, sorry, my explanation lacked an important detail: I reckon the
>>> GNOME developers wanted to use generic names for first-party apps
>only (and
>>> thus, for one and only one app for each task). Third party apps are
>still
>>> displayed using their real name.
>>>
>>> I might be wrong though, or GNOME developers might also have changed
>>> their strategy since the last time I checked...
>>>
>>>
>>> Le vendredi 26 juin 2015 à 16:04 +0200, Narcis Garcia a écrit :
>>>
>>> I believe there is a middle point for this:
>>>
>>> "Gedit text editor"
>>> "Nautilus file manager"
>>> "Firefox web browser"
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> If someone names simply "Web browser" to Epiphany, how is named
>>> Firefox?? In a bad names strategy, user could see this in an
>>> applications menu:

>>> Web browser <- This is Firefox (you must know)
>>> Web browser <- This is Mirori (you must know)
>>> Web browser <- This is Icecat (you must know)
>>> ...no sense.
>>>
>>> It's very difficult for casual (or new) users this other extreme in
>a
>>> bad names strategy:
>>> Sylpheed <- This is an e-mail software (you must know)
>>> Evolution <- This is an e-mail software (you must know)
>>> Geary <- This is an e-mail software (you must know)
>>>
>>>
>>> El 26/06/15 a les 11:13, Julien Olivier ha escrit:> Hi Bart, list,>
>> the thing with names is that it's better when they actually *mean*>
>something. An experimented user will immediately know that Firefox is
>a> web browser or that Evolution is an email program. But normal users
>will> have no clue about it :) Some apps use names that provide clues
>as to> what the purpose of the app is, like Rhythmbox or Gedit, but
>most don't.> > I think the recent trend among GNOME developers is that
>the app name is> more like an internal code, not aimed at being used in
>the user experience.> > Maybe a good way to fix your problem would be
>to have a "Launch in> terminal" entry in the app's dash icon, next to
>"New Window" and "Add to> favourites", possibly as a GNOME Shell
>extension ?> > Le vendredi 26 juin 2015 à 10:25 +0200, Bart Schouten a
>écrit :>> Quoting Narcis Garcia <informatica at actiu.net
><mailto:informatica at actiu.net <informatica at actiu.net>>>:>>>> > I agree
>with Keith Grider in a subject: "please name all programs in the>> > UI
>the same as the cli (...) if you want to diagnose the problem, you>> >
>need to grep all over the internet to find out what the program name
>is>> > to be able to launch from the command line to see what errors
>are occurring">> >>> > This problem is worse with localized UI.>>>>
>Yes. It  makes  no sense to name something "File Manager" instead of 
>>> "Nautilus" when Nautilus is a name you can love and a brand name. 
>>> Kubuntu (KDE) just puts a like subtitle next to the real name in the
>>> menu to describe it. I don't think "File Manager" (or whatever)
>makes  >> much sense and you cannot love it. Only the most mediocre
>computer  >> users do not know what "file manager" or anything  with  a
>name is and  >> some of them don't even know what the button "web" is
>supposed to do  >> (in a kiosk computer). You can't really cater to
>them. Those users  >> can't use Linux anyway. People who have to learn
>how to use a mouse  >> and who cannot make double-clicks without moving
>the mouse too much  >> (it happens all too common). I don't think that
>should be your target  >> audience. A proficient computer user that
>cannot use a mouse and does  >> not know what a file manager icon is
>supposed to do -- they can never  >> use linux. They couldn't use
>Windows. You'd only give them a Mac, at  >> best. I feel it is catering
>to the lowest common denominator.>>>> Personally I think Gnome would be
>at least twice as good if they got  >> rid of those confusing names
>when there are good names for those  >> programs already.>>>> Just my
>opinion, as well.>>>> Bart.>>>> >>> >>> >>> > El 25/06/15 a les 15:44,
>Keith Grider ha escrit:>> >> Hi,>> >>>> >> I have been running Gnome
>desktop under Ubuntu since 11.04. I did not>> >> like Unity and did not
>like the Gnome fallback. Tried Elementary OS for>> >> a while and came
>back to Ubuntu Gnome because they are so slow to>> >> release Freya.>>
>>>>> >> The new Gnome in 15.04 seems snappier and I like it. I could
>care less>> >> about the cutting edge, latest Gnome, I just want it to
>run. I am in the>> >> process of upgrading my computers from 14.04 to
>15.04. 2 down and 2 to>> >> go. There are some kernel improvements in
>15.04 which help a couple>> >> issues I was having with 14.04 (1 is
>that network manager is somewhat>> >> broken in 14.04.2 The
>via_velocity module will not reconnect to the lan>> >> after suspend
>and another is with wifi on my laptop.)>> >>>> >> Stuff that does not
>work or does not work 'correctly' in 15.04, IMO:>> >>>> >>  1. I can no
>longer unload a module at suspend time. I know this is a>> >>    
>kernel problem and not Gnome, but it is a problem for me. I used to>>
>>>     be able to do this with 13.04, but since 12.04, I can no longer
>get>> >>     it to unload the aic7xxx module before suspending. No
>matter what I>> >>     put in the |/etc/pm/config.d/modules, it will
>not unload. As soon as>> >>     I try to use that module, the kernel
>panics and locks up the>> >>     computer. It is an old card, but runs
>my scanner just fine. It used>> >>     to work correctly and now it
>only works after boot and crashes after>> >>     the first suspend
>resume cycle. I can do it by hand and can also>> >>     blacklist it so
>I cna load it when I need it, but it should be able>> >>     to be
>automated, this is a regression.>> >>     |>> >>  2. ||The Gnome login
>screen needs a suspend time out. As it is, I have>> >>     my users set
>auto suspend after 30 minutes. It would be nice if I>> >>     could set
>that for The Gnome login screen as well via the Gnome UI>> >>    
>somehow. It has been this way for a while and it is a regression,
>IMO.>> >>  3. The Gnome login screen does not have a suspend option.
>All I can do>> >>     is shut down or reboot from the login screen.>>
>>>  4. The openjdk-*-jre install no longer has a .desktop file for
>right>> >>     clicking and launching *.jar files in Nautilus, it must
>be created>> >>     by hand to run these files.>> >>  5. Please,
>please, please name all programs in the UI the same as the>> >>    
>cli... Please. It is tough to click and try to launch something in>> >>
>the UI, have nothing happen then if you want to diagnose the>> >>    
>problem, you need to grep all over the internet to find out what the>>
>>>     program name is to be able to launch from the command line to
>see>> >>     what errors are occurring. I do not have a specific
>example right>> >>     now, but could find one if you need. I think one
>of them is 'files'.>> >>     Just call it 'nautilus'.>> >>>> >> Keep up
>the good work.>> >>>> >> Keith>> >>>> >>>> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at
>10:19 PM, Ali/amjjawad <amjjawad at gnome.org <mailto:amjjawad at gnome.org
><amjjawad at gnome.org>>>> >> <mailto:amjjawad at gnome.org
><amjjawad at gnome.org>>> wrote:>> >>>> >>     Dear everyone,>> >>>> >>   
>Before we start the planning for this cycle (Wily Werewolf - 15.04),>>
>>>     I'd like to run this survey before anything else:>> >>>> >>    
>https://ubuntugnome.org/feedback-time/>> >>>> >>     It would be very
>important for me and everyone else to understand>> >>     what we have
>done, what we are doing and what we are suppose to do>> >>     in the
>future. Above all, we do need to understand what *OUR USERS*>> >>    
>think :)>> >>>> >>     I am having very limited time to spend so if the
>survey is bad or>> >>     lack some questions, etc .. please keep in
>mind that this is what my>> >>     time allowed me to do. I think I did
>my best and I'd like to>> >>     apologize in advance for any
>inconvenience.>> >>>> >>     You can *ALWAYS* write to us and send your
>feedback here, on this>> >>     mailing list:>> >>    
>https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs>> >>>> >>>> >>     and/or
>*FEEL FREE to contact me* :)>> >>>> >>>> >>     The survey should *NOT*
>take more than _*3 minutes*_ from your time.>> >>>> >>     *Here is the
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>can only answer it ONE time so please, make sure to read the>> >>    
>questions carefully ;)>> >>>> >>     Thank you so much!>> >>>> >>    
>-->> >>     Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us.">>
>>>>> >>     Best Regards,>> >>     Ali/amjjawad
><https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad>>> >>>> >>     *http://kibo.computer*
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