[Artwork] Ubuntu GNOME - the new logo by Patrik Bubak

Mon Jul 27 15:06:37 UTC 2015

And exactly what makes you think that I am desperate to perform or
whatever it is that you're imagining in your twisted fantasies? I, like
all my comrades from the team, are just a volunteers. We're doing what
we love and we signed up to help. We don't long for the appreciation of
the likes of yourself. The fact that you're trolling here means
obviously that nobody needs you where you're probably supposed to be.
Man, you're sad existence, I give you that.

I think many understand now why exactly was it that you were banned from
the Kubuntu forum, or whatever it was, and I of course agree with them,
no doubt, you convinced me about yourself.

Those who talk the most, like in your case, do so nobody notices how
empty they really are. And you most likely have no one to talk to, so
you're alleviating your painful existence where it doesn't belong.

Nobody is interested in your nonsense here, so go troll somewhere else,
because that's what you have shown you are, nothing, nobody, just a
troll. Just another internet hero and we all know that everyone is an
expert at everything over the internet.

Adieu loser :)

On Mon, 2015-07-27 at 16:20 +0200, Xen wrote:

> You know, it starts to feel like
> 
> /the new fragrance by ..../.
> 
> ;-).
> 
> Patrik Bubak is going to be famous.
> 
> Hey, enjoy all. Charlie, not so sour. People are having fun doing what  
> they do. Perhaps indeed email communication is hard, it is augmented  
> by IRC, they say "discussions take place on IRC, decisions on email".  
> But it's a tough system. Forums are even a better place, but they seem  
> less official. All reason to imagine something better! :D. Perhaps one  
> day all of our "gripes" transform into something beautiful. Like this  
> logo ;-D. Now I'm dying to install a new version of Ubuntu Gnome with  
> the new logo incorporated ;-D.
> 
> You know, even the 'trolls' have a fondness to the product. I know it  
> is sometimes a bit of 'taking a piss' at the people who seem to do the  
> work.
> 
> But just remember this:
> 
> /It means the guy wants to have a say because he can't find the time  
> or ability or opportunity or possibility to actually do something else  
> that he would love to do. So all he can do is try to argue on some  
> mailing list. Poor bloke. He really wants to contribute, but he can't.  
> We see his frustration. We honour his dedication, and his interest. We  
> thank him for his allegiance or commitment, at least in spirit, and  
> now we get him to shut up because he is nagging us and bugging us and  
> we have joy to perform :P./
> 
> Yes I apologize. I am so much alone that I am using (currently, just  
> today) this mailing list as a bit of a way to share random thoughts.  
> While you are trying to use it for work. Consider it my disease. Just  
> consider it you are doing me a huge favour not bashing my head in  
> instantly ;-).
> 
> Communication is hard. It is a challenge in any business, where people  
> cannot meet face-to-face. Try to communicate with purely digital  
> (text) means. It is hard and introduces delay and misconception. (It  
> seems Kubuntu members are trying Telegram, the Russian chat service  
> that could replace Whatsapp, but that at least offers security and  
> group chats for all platforms. ...).
> 
> BACK when I was studying there was a collaborative platform for  
> business that was rather expensive and we couldn't use it for long (we  
> were just students). It was a very nice system for online  
> collaboration. I don't even remember what it was called. In schools  
> they use BlackBoard it's not a bad system at all. *I wish there were  
> these professional team-based collaboration platforms for  
> communication and discussion as well as file uploads etcetera*.
> 
> Anyway, gotta role.
> 
> Still don't bash my head in ;-).
> 
> Regards.
> 
> 
> Quoting Charlie Moss <charlie at charliemoss.com>:
> 
> > I think a timeout is required by all.
> >
> > I'm sure all are aware that people are not being paid. If people's income
> > depended on this project such an ineffective system of communication would
> > not be used. From what I can see, people reply to older messages which
> > creates a different meaning to their words when they appear in the
> > timeline. There is a fine line between freedom of speech and trolling and
> > both terms are abused.  Yes, many open source communities are under attack
> > by freedom of speech / trolling, and only the communities that evolve and
> > create news systems will survive.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > *Charlie*
> >
> >
> >
> > On 27 July 2015 at 09:16, Tim <darkxst at fastmail.fm> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On 27/07/15 13:51, Ali/amjjawad wrote:
> >> >
> >> > There was a GOOD reason why I have created these sub-teams.
> >> >
> >> > Why? you might ask or wonder even after reading the above link which I'd
> >> assume you will click on it and have a read ...
> >> >
> >> > Because:
> >> >
> >> >  1. EACH AND EVERYONE here, who is working as a volunteer and NOT
> >> getting PAID, is doing a favor to the entire world. YES. We must respect
> >> >     that, all of us. WE ARE doing this because we love it, period. Yet,
> >> we are not getting paid. Show more respect to the time invested into
> >> >     this :)
> >> >  2. EACH AND EVERYONE here has a specific task to do, specially core
> >> members.
> >> >
> >> > There was a good reason why Alfredo and his team is leading or driving
> >> the artwork team.
> >> >
> >> > There was a good reason why Tim is our head of developers.
> >> >
> >> > There was a good reason why I am the community manager.
> >> >
> >> > Why do I have to repeat that over and over again? :(
> >> >
> >> > If you have any problem with any sub-team or member, do approach ME!
> >> >
> >> I'm going to add to this, since the false sense of entitlement that random
> >> community members seem to have in open source communities is just
> >> poison. All the team leads, have put significant (and mostly massive
> >> amounts of) time + effort into contribution to Ubuntu GNOME, and at the end
> >> of the day, someone needs make the final decisions, they all have a proven
> >> track record. We can not listen to and accommodate every single
> >> individuals wants/needs. Can you imagine the mess we would end up in if we
> >> tried to follow every crazy idea! At the end of the day the Team
> >> Leads sum up the community input and make the final call, of course there
> >> will be some that don't like the decisions, but we can't please everyone.
> >>
> >> We do listen to community feedback, but so far as the logo redesign goes,
> >> at this point we are well past the discussion phase. This has been
> >> ongoing for atleast 6 months, probably more with bits and pieces posted on
> >> both the main list and the artwork list. There were several proposed
> >> logos over that time. Patrik's logo was first unveiled in April [1], that
> >> was the time for these discussion not now (I believe at that time,
> >> there was no opposition to the logo).
> >>
> >> Seriously if people want a say in how Ubuntu GNOME runs or what happens
> >> etc, then you should join the relevant sub-team and start contributing.
> >> That is how open source works in the real world, the more you contribute
> >> the more you get a say in the project. An active subteam member carries
> >> the weight of probably a 100 users when it comes to decisions like this.
> >> And again its not we don't listen to our users or comummity, but we
> >> would end up with a complete cluster fuck if we did what every single one
> >> wanted.
> >>
> >> So on that note, as co-founder of Ubuntu GNOME (and head dev). This is
> >> going to be our new logo, while I agree it seems a little abstract to the
> >> uninitiated, the human mind is incredibly good at making associations
> >> between symbols and words, once someone sees the full logo (with Ubuntu
> >> GNOME text), they will forever know this is us, even when used just as a
> >> roundel.
> >>
> >> So please all take a step back, think of something constructive that you
> >> can contribute, and work on that. Make Ubuntu GNOME stronger, not drag
> >> it into the trolling world of bullshit, that exists across much
> >> open-source news sites/forums etc.
> >>
> >> [1] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-gnome/2015-April/002976.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> 
> 
> 
> 

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Nothing ruins creativity like too many voices weighing in. We call it
the Ice Cream Principle. Tell 10 people to go get ice cream with one
condition: they all have to agree on one flavour. That flavour is going
to be chocolate or vanilla every time. Groups of people don't agree on
what's cool or interesting, they agree on what's easy to agree on.
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