[Artwork] Ubuntu GNOME - the new logo by Patrik Bubak

Mon Jul 27 03:04:06 UTC 2015

I don't mind the mailing list. With a good e-mail client you can easily track conversations of a subject (like in Thunderbird "Open Conversation Thread"). If you want to search for something old, like for example trying to understand the issue here you can simply go to the available web interface[1]. As for the logo design, if the core team is happy with it already, imho, they should go for it. The logo can evolve or be revised later on however the artist want it, although not ideal but all depends on how UG core team wants to present the product. So far there are more alarming issues, like having a better and friendlier website in UG site, maybe upload a bulletin board system. 

I'd agree that mailing lists, which I like, aren't that friendly to the new user. Opening forums will also help get new team members, helpers, and "give us a better insight of the overall community". 

I personally don't see much on the design discussion. Like I said, if the UG core team is happy with it, go for it.

[1]: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-gnome/

---- On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 22:16:52 -0400 Charlie Moss<charlie at charliemoss.com> wrote ---- 

Being new to an Ubuntu community, I am surprised that such a primitive system, as a mailing list, is used for communication. How does one get up to speed on a subject? I asked the question two weeks ago "is the logo design open for submissions?"  I received no reply.  Am I to understand now that the new logo has been created by the design team and no input from other members of the community is unwelcome? Maybe referencing the discussion of logo design would alleviate some of the tension here. If this is not possible, it may be time for consider a new method of communication similar to Slack.

Regards,

Charlie

On 27 July 2015 at 01:24, Patrik Bubák <bubapa at privacyrequired.com> wrote:
  The next time you're high on something don't write emails please. First, it's far too long, second, you're missing the whole point here, so let me be very clear on behalf of the entire design team for the last time,

 this is not a competition and we do not accept any submissions.

 We worked on the new identity for an extensive amount of time despite the difficulties we had to face and the lack of time most of us had. We proceeded as any design time would to their knowledge and resources available.

 Allow me to illustrate a perfect example:

 take a huge company like Nike. When they hired designers to create their visual identity do you really think they went out to ask the public? Do you think the public was anyhow involved? Nonsense. If they would rely on the opinions of the masses they would never get anywhere and it would be terribly expensive for them to listen to every single idea coming from the crowd and possibly try to incorporate it.

 The same applies to any big company, or entity, or non-profit. 

 Just as nobody is in a position to tell any coder how to code, nobody is in a position to tell any designer how to design.

 We take our roles very seriously and everyone should understand, that a designer is not a mere tool to execute anyone's ugly ideas.

 On Mon, 2015-07-27 at 01:46 +0200, Xen wrote:  The reason people are doing this is because the logo seems very ill-conceived, and no matter how many expensive terms you throw at it, it doesn't become any better. Just the pure roundel logo, not counting anything else or how well the materials are done, it is really the most mundane of "letter" logo's I can't even recognise a "G" in it, I doubt anyone can who doesn't already know about it. It is not anything special. It sounds rather far fetched to assume or believe this is the best anyone could come up with regarding the or in the context of the "legal issues". It seems rather devoid of life, like I said. Clinical, medical technology, some business. Nothing really to do with Gnome or Ubuntu Gnome, but that is just my perception. So people are throwing in a last minute effort just because they see such a devoid icon is being used. I don't really know where all the enthusiasm comes from... just the pure icon/roundel, conceptually it is a clone of the Ubuntu thing itself, there's nothing special there, and I fail to see what else is special about it. And actually to come forward to Narcis Garcia, I think his design is better, I would actually propose to change the toes into feathers. But given that the nature of these things is to go forward with what is currently going, and nobody feels like repeating the steps, to go back so far and start over, which would just be a LOT of work, I think it is prudent to recognise the efforts that have been done and at least honour them as a way of going with this new design for the coming 4-5 years. Sorry Garcia, I like your design, but in this case you have to go with the flow. It requires a lot of energy to go back and do the process all over. So no matter how much you might not like it, there comes a point where you just have to go with it and unless you pull the cart really really hard, it just won't budge and you will find you will lose the motivation to actually proceed with that cart-pulling (that changing) very quickly. So good luck and congratulations everyone, it looks like a professional logo, the Ubuntu standards are quite well (practical in terms of having well thought out designs and constraints), it's a business and they have thought about it. It just requires getting used to and who knows what it might inspire. That's the best I can make of it. No gloom, but no glum (no glow). Maybe next time present your work earlier and receive suggestions, the only thing (I am just a newcomer as well and have nothing to say about the matter in terms of my "having been around" either) that bugs me is that attitude of "we had to work under impossible constraints and finally have managed to give birth to something that was at least capable of having life". I'm sure it was not that bad. There was a lot of room for inventiveness and imagination, probably no less than any other project. You can pretend like you did the most impossible of tasks and made a great achievement, but I think it was not that great and that it was not all that bad either, to work under these conditions. Being said by a person who has lived in imprisonment for ca. 8 months now. I think there is room for a little relativation ;-). Let's get off that high horse. You did a lousy job given the requirements and circumstances, didn't come out soon enough to ask non-expert opinion, assumed (apparently?) that only design experts could have a meaningful say in it, and then felt insulted when people came in at the last minute and said "hey, but...". I think there is a lesson to be learned, or at least something to admit. I am hungry and there is no way to get food. My legs are broken and I am in a form of prison cell. I can only drink orange juice. Without food no working. Without tools no creating. Without freedom no relaxation. Without love no hope. Without sense no power. Good luck, this is all I have to say, I hope I am not offending someone (too much). Blame me for all you want, I just said something. Bye. Quoting Alfredo Hernández <aldomann.designs at gmail.com>: > Sorry guys, but the whole point of having an Artwork and Design Team is to > work in this stuff. The proposals have no purpose; we have a ton of things, > both design wise and legal wise to do the logo as we are doing it. > > Please understand, I'm not saying that feedback is not appreciated; it > totally is. But we need constructive criticism, not "I'll totally ignore > what you have been working for months and throw my two-minute proposal", > that's totally unproductive to us as a community and specifically for our > team. > > Cheers, > Alfredo > On 26 Jul 2015 3:59 pm, "Narcis Garcia" <informatica at actiu.net> wrote: > >> All designs proposed should be in a single page to be easily compared. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> El 26/07/15 a les 18:47, Selwyn Orren ha escrit: >> >> Wow, >> >> I have been a professional graphic designer for 20 years. I must admit I >> really do love this design. I would be most proud to stand behind it!!! >> >> Job well done! >> >> >> Selwyn Orren | +27 72 270 9321 | +27 86 218 6897 | skype: selwynorren | >> http://www.linuxweb.co.za | selwyn at linuxweb.co.za | >> http://about.me/selwynorren >> >> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 11:15 PM, Alfredo Hernández < >> aldomann.designs at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Gentlemen, >>> >>> I think this matter doesn't need any more postponing, and so I'm happy to >>> present to you the fruits of my labour for the past few months. >>> >>> The artwork team has agreed this be our new brand identity. I would like, >>> of course, to hear your thoughts and comments. >>> >>> More on the project: http://on.be.net/1J8ezFh >>> See it in action: http://on.be.net/1FERsjc >>> >>> For a detailed overview it is highly recommended to go through the >>> attached file (PDF, 24 pages). >>> >>> >>> Nothing ruins creativity like too many voices weighing in. We call it the >>> Ice Cream Principle. Tell 10 people to go get ice cream with one condition: >>> they all have to agree on one flavour. That flavour is going to be >>> chocolate or vanilla every time. Groups of people don't agree on what's >>> cool or interesting, they agree on what's easy to agree on. >>> >>> PS. *This was actually written by Patrik, but he's experiencing some >>> problems with his mail servers and his messages end up mystically in the >>> spam folder in Gmail (and probably other major services as well).* >>> >>> -- >>> Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list >>> Ubuntu-GNOME at lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list >> Ubuntu-GNOME at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome >> >> >   

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