[Ubuntugnome-artwork] [Artwork] Ubuntu GNOME - the new logo by Patrik Bubak
Xen
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Sat Jul 11 10:49:45 UTC 2015
I did not mean to offend. I understand that you've gone to great
lengths to come up with a design that fulfills all the requirements.
If I may say so, the presentation material looks excellent and the
'work in action' screenshots gave a great impression.
But most of all I agree with the motto in your sig ;-).
Quoting Patrik Bubák <bubapa at protonmail.ch>:
> To everyone jumping into any subjective conclusions - you ought to
> consider some of the pressing facts:
>
> Nothing from the original GNOME logo can be used as a standalone to
> point a user to Ubuntu GNOME. If you use the GNOME foot on its own
> without any text/wordmark you are directly pointing the user to
> GNOME, not Ubuntu GNOME - understand this before you say anything.
>
> Those who want to keep the gnome foot in the logo - that is not
> going to happen any more. It means using somebody else's identity,
> which is a technical mistake and a violation at the same time. GNOME
> gave us permission previously, but that doesn't last and doesn't
> clearly communicate us as a distribution, while all you see is the
> component (the GNOME desktop).
>
> Using someone else's logo as your own is not the right way to go,
> because you're using somebody else's identity to identify yourself,
> which in most cases is illegal. Take it like somebody used Nike's
> logo in a roundel with just the colour changed. Do you really
> believe people wouldn't be confused? Would Nike like that? No.
>
> When you modify somebody else's logo to suit yours you are directly
> violating some rights, hence modifying the GNOME foot anyhow didn't
> come as an option either and we had to make other choices.
>
>
>
> To the newcomers to the game: first before mentioning anything
> consider, that we as the design team and me in particular as the
> logo author, had to go through a lot of thinking and research before
> what was born as mutual agreement of an idea that would be the
> logo. I had to make mainly decisions that would be right legally.
> To please everyone's eye, which I know will never be possible
> because there will always be a sense of nostalgia when a major
> change occurs, is a difficult task and if we should listen to every
> single "idea" we would never get anywhere, ever.
>
>
>
> To quote: "
>
> Another
>
> logo for "gnome" is a 'thumb' or even a 'hat', a 'pipe', a
>
> 'toadstool', a 'tree' as long as it's something organic or natural."
>
>
>
> - really? A thumb? That idea inclines more to Facebook than us.
>
>
>
> - a hat? You mean Red Hat? Sorry, that idea has already been used by
> a corporation backing Fedora and would be a cheap imitation.
>
>
>
> - a pipe? I don't see how that anyhow directly points to us and it's
> also something that changes the identity completely and might seem
> confusing, and a lot. Somehow you don't doubt that idea at all, but
> you doubt the current interpretation.
>
>
>
> - a tree? I understand your "trying", but believe me, been there done that.
>
>
>
> Now don't take this offensively, it's not meant to be, but shift
> into my shoes for a moment and understand that the decision I made
> is there for the right reason and every notion behind it is in place.
>
>
>
>
> Nothing ruins creativity like too many voices weighing in. We call
> it the Ice Cream Principle. Tell 10 people to go get ice cream with
> one condition: they all have to agree on one flavour. That flavour
> is going to be chocolate or vanilla every time. Groups of people
> don't agree on what's cool or interesting, they agree on what's easy
> to agree on.
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntugnome-artwork] [Artwork] Ubuntu GNOME - the new
> logo by Patrik Bubak
> Time (GMT): Jul 11 2015 09:36:55
> From: list at xenhideout.nl
> To: ubuntu-gnome at lists.ubuntu.com
>
> Perhaps the most obvious choice is Gnome logo + Ubuntu colours.
>
> You cannot use the Ubuntu roundel without transforming the entire logo
> into a combination, which Ubuntu does not allow. But if Gnome does not
> allow standalone use of the Gnome logo, yeah..
>
> Personally I feel this new roundel is devoid of significance (the
> form). The colours are not Ubuntu and the logo is not Gnome. I like
> the colour but the logo is very clinical, it might be the logo of some
> medical technology supplier. I'm reminded of disinfection ;-).
>
> Well good luck with it. I just feel Gnome is 90% of the identity of
> Ubuntu Gnome, there are not many distributions that focus on a single
> desktop exclusively, so Ubuntu is like the context (the
> environment/frame) while Gnome is the essence (or interior). Another
> logo for "gnome" is a 'thumb' or even a 'hat', a 'pipe', a
> 'toadstool', a 'tree' as long as it's something organic or natural.
> Ubuntu Gnome - lots of little footprints together ;-).
>
> Anyway, good luck with it.
>
>
> Quoting Satyajit Sahoo <satyajit.happy at gmail.com>:
>
>> In a standalone logo, when you show a GNOME footprint, it basically screams
>> GNOME, and the identity of Ubuntu GNOME is lost.
>>
>> Satyajit Sahoo
>> UX Designer
>> Behance Profile <https://www.behance.net/satyajitha28c7>
>>
>> We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh? ? The Doctor,
>> Season 5, Episode 13.
>>
>> On 11 July 2015 at 12:24, Charlie_UK . <charlie at charliemoss.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If the symbol will never appear without the text, then what you say is
>>> true. However, if the symbol part will also be *standalone*, which I
>>> would prefer then the footprint is very important.
>>>
>>> I'm new to the group, so have no knowledge of previous discussions. All I
>>> can say, from one user's perspective, is that the present logo is
>>> excellent. The footprint says 'gnome' and the circle says 'ubuntu'. I'm
>>> even planning of making myself a t-shirt with just the logo. Obviously,
>>> this just one person's subjective opinion.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> *Charlie*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11 July 2015 at 07:35, Satyajit Sahoo <satyajit.happy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The font used is in GNOME's, the colors are GNOME-ish, and the name
>>>> itself has "GNOME". So there is already enough connections to GNOME, I
>>>> think.
>>>>
>>>> Satyajit Sahoo
>>>> UX Designer
>>>> Behance Profile <https://www.behance.net/satyajitha28c7>
>>>>
>>>> We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh? ? The Doctor,
>>>> Season 5, Episode 13.
>>>>
>>>> On 11 July 2015 at 11:58, Charlie_UK . <charlie at charliemoss.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not my cup of tea. IMHO, without some connection to the Gnome footprint,
>>>>> it's meaningless.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> *Charlie*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11 July 2015 at 06:42, Andrés Muñiz Piniella
>>>>> <a75576 at alumni.tecnun.es
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> Gentlemen,
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And ladies!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> of course, to hear your thoughts and comments.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> More on the project: http://on.be.net/1J8ezFh
>>>>>> >> See it in action: http://on.be.net/1FERsjc
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks amazing!
>>>>>>
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