Call for a meeting (IRC/Hangout)
Bruce Pieterse
dev at otq.za.net
Wed Aug 5 17:57:30 UTC 2015
On 03/08/2015 02:05, Ali/amjjawad wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 2:37 AM, Bruce Pieterse <dev at otq.za.net
> <mailto:dev at otq.za.net>> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 26/07/2015 03:59, Ali/amjjawad wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Ali/amjjawad <amjjawad at gnome.org <mailto:amjjawad at gnome.org>
> > <mailto:amjjawad at gnome.org <mailto:amjjawad at gnome.org>>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> >
> > Hello again,
> >
> >
> >
> > Team Leaders of Ubuntu GNOME sub-teams, active members and/or
> > whoever wish to participate/contribute, may I have your attention
> > please?
> >
> > It is planning time.My time is +10
> >
> > I have just published:
> > https://ubuntugnome.org/feedback-time-results/
> >
> > I know this is late but better late than never.
> >
> > Feedback and collecting data/opinions is over now. We need to move
> > forward or else, we shall end up, just like the previous cycle,
> > without a proper planning.
> >
> > Yes, blame me for this if you wish but NO, I am not the only one who
> > is part of this family. We have agreed to work as a TEAM and we have
> > to honor this agreement and show our commitment to it. That said,
> > putting the past a side, let's move on for a better future, shall we?
> >
> > I'm sending this to the entire list because I hate to hide anything.
> > In fact, we have no secrets to hide on the first place.
> >
> > *Our performance, as a _team_, is REALLY BAD, IMHO.
> >
> > *
> > Blame me again for this but also keep in mind, there are other
> > drivers or team leaders. I just survived a massive storm in my real
> > life. I was this close to lose everything and everyone I have in my
> > life. Thank God, I survived.
> >
> > When I first joined this project back in 22-July-2013 (YES, 2
> > years!), I had a clear vision that I didn't keep for myself but
> > shared it with the entire community: to build a team/community that
> > can lead itself without the need to a leader.
> >
> > Sadly, we haven't yet reached that phase/level yet :(
> >
> > The good news is: you still have me around whenever you need me.
> >
> > Truth is: you need to understand that no one lives forever and this
> > is a digital world, so changes might be much faster than real life.
> >
> > No, I am not leaving. I have just turned 2 years with this family
> > and there is NO WAY to leave unless all of you ask me to leave.
> >
> > Yes, I have so much more to show.
> >
> > However, this whole community needs to understand: if we shall
> > _*not*_ work as one team, things might get worse, much worse than
> > anyone can imagine. I have mentioned that, 2 years ago, to Lubuntu
> > Team. They never listened to me. After I left them, they
> started to
> > understand what I was talking about. They took some months until
> > they started to take 'some' of my advices. I do hate to see Ubuntu
> > GNOME to face the same thing.
> >
> > Tomorrow is Friday, then Saturday and then Sunday. Is it
> possible to
> > have a meeting during these days? if not, we need to get this
> done ASAP.
> >
> > If Plan A (meeting) will fail, my Plan B is to go for 15.10
> without
> > a proper and a clear plan. Why? because we're a team and this is a
> > community project, not a one-man-project.
> >
> > My time is +10 GMT at the moment.
> >
> > Should I set the date and time for the meeting and then send it?!
> >
> >
> > Sorry, it took me 3 days to get back to this email. Busy real life as
> > always.
> >
> > Monday, 27-July-2015
> > I am available from:
> > 10:00AM +10 GMT timing - until - 2:00PM +10 GMT timing
> > and
> > From 4:00PM +10 GMT timing - until 11:00PM +10 GMT timing
> >
> > Who can make it for Monday? the meeting should be maximum 60 minutes,
> > regardless which platform we'll use.
> >
> >
> >
> > Should you insist not to have a meeting? then I can present a
> > one-man-plan then you're free to vote good or bad but I DO HATE to
> > do this. I am looking forward to work with a team ;)
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > --
> > Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Ali/amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad>
> >
> > *http://kibo.computer* - http://torios.net - Ubuntu GNOME
> > <http://ubuntugnome.org/>
> >
> >
> > Sorry again for the short notice.
> >
> > @Narcis Garcia
> > Google Hangout: https://www.google.com/intl/en/+/learnmore/hangouts/
> >
> >
> > --
> > Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Ali/amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad>
> >
> > *http://kibo.computer* - http://torios.net - Ubuntu GNOME
> > <http://ubuntugnome.org/>
> >
> >
>
> Hi Ali,
>
>
> Hi Bruce,
>
> I am sorry again for my late reply. I was on my 100% zombie and I had to
> leave everything and stay away from everything. Luckily, I found a place
> that not only restored my wasted energy but charged me with a massive
> power/energy :D I will share some photos later on G+ ;)
> I stayed away from the social media for nearly 48hours now without one
> single second wasted on any social media, YAY!
>
No problem.
>
>
> I think a meeting for Monday (today for me) is to short notice. Could we
> perhaps reschedule for next week Monday or the following Monday (3
> August)? I'm sure that's ample time for every one who wants to attend.
>
>
> Alpha 2 was released and as you all know, I voted not to participate and
> the major reason is: we did not yet start any kind of planning for
> Ubuntu GNOME.
>
> This must be done ASAP no matter what. With or without a meeting. I'll
> do my very best to finish the planning phase this week. If we can have a
> meeting, so be it. If not, I will not waste one single second on that
> any more. Next cycle, this must be more organized. I'd blame myself for
> that but if I want to be logical and realistic, this is a community and
> we should all work as one team and never depend on others to do
> everything. Obviously, I was burned out to death. I am sure everyone has
> seen the survey-results video. I was a pure zombie :) to the point,
> someone I have never talked to sent me an email to help which I had no
> time to finish reading it but it made me speechless. I can't thank him
> enough for that :) without reading the email, I managed to fix/heal
> myself but I'll read it for sure soon, hopefully.
>
Whether we have or a meeting or not, does not phase me. I'm a little bit
more interested in what needs to be done in this cycle even if it's done
via blueprints[0], e-mail, IRC or all three channels.
Regarding "this is a community and
we should all work as one team and never depend on others to do
everything.", fair enough, but at this point you are the only person
that I am aware of that knows what goes into this planning phase.
Perhaps documenting what is done during the planning phase for each
cycle might be beneficial to those who are willing to help lighten the load?
>
>
>
> Also can we:
>
> * Schedule the meeting time in UTC
>
>
> I'll see what I can do but this is no longer a priority. We wasted so
> much time discussing when.
>
+1
>
> * Use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/Meetings/Agenda to gauge
> interest and possible attendance
> * Start populating the agenda to discuss items
>
>
> Good point, thanks :)
>
>
>
> * Use IRC for our first meeting and possibly discuss alternative
> platforms if any body wants to?
>
>
> If we will waste more time discussing/arguing about which platform is
> better? we would never have any meeting in 10 years :)
>
Makes sense. Let's keep it simple for now and use IRC, E-mail and the
Wiki which are actively used right now.
> That is why, if everyone can please notice, I mentioned:
> IRC/Hangout
>
> I'd adjust that to:
> Either IRC and/or Hangout.
Perhaps next time put "Strictly IRC or Hangouts" :)
>
> These are the main 2 platforms and I'll not waste one single second nor
> reply anything else but these two. No, I am not acting as a dictator
> here but let's all think about it ... if everyone is going to share
> his/her favourite platform, we will end up with empty hands and nothing
> worth mentioning.
>
I think it was nice that everyone shared alternative platforms, but I
sense an urgency which suggesting and using an alternative platform at
this stage might not be top priority for this cycle or the next, but
possibly can be looked at in the future.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> All the best,
>
> Bruce
>
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>
> Thank you!
>
> I will do my best to do something today ... it is 10:05am here my time
> so let's see .. will keep you all posted :)
>
> P.S.
> Tons of emails lately on the mailing list, very very long. I will NOT
> read that. Better to invest this time doing something useful to the
> entire world rather than reading emails. Please everyone, do not be
> offended by Ubuntu GNOME comes first, at the moment for me ;)
>
>
> --
> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
>
> Best Regards,
> Ali/amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad>
>
> *http://kibo.computer* - http://torios.net - Ubuntu GNOME
> <http://ubuntugnome.org/>
I see a ton of planning e-mails. I will get to those now and tomorrow.
Thanks
[0]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/Brainstorming
--
All the best,
Bruce
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