Semi-mechanizing the DTTP translations

Pierre Slamich pierre.slamich at gmail.com
Lun 17 Déc 23:51:00 UTC 2012


Hi Hannie, Hi Redmar,
Thanks a lot for the tips: we're interested in using your approach, and
more generally it might be interesting expending the msmerge approach to
all teams that are already underway for the DDTP, and the Google one to the
teams that need to get started.

- For the Google Translator Kit approach, I guess we could extend the mock
project we did for fr_FR to other languages (and streamlining our process
by using Bazaar) by creating a global team responsible for the DDTP Mock
project and including in this team one member from each language team
responsible for uploading the machine translated po for his or her language.

- For the msmerge approach, do you already have a project to handle this ?
Is there any advantage in msmerging raring against releases older than
quantal to get more modified strings ? How many strings have you been able
to recover using that approach ?  It might be neat to generate the msmerged
po for all languages ? Importing them as actual translations (not fuzzy)
into a mock project like the Google Translate one would show them as
suggestions for the actual DDTP as well.
The translator would thus be able to pick the human translated one when
available or to build on the machine translated one otherwise.

Can we try to schedule some time to coordinate on this so that we can use
both approaches and try to onboard all the other languages teams once we
have a rock-solid process ?

Pierre

Pierre Slamich
pierre.slamich at gmail.com


On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Redmar <redmar at ubuntu-nl.org> wrote:

> Hi Pierre,
>
> I've actually tried a similar approach for Dutch using msgmerge, which
> might also be worth checking out. When you merge the translations of an
> older version of ubuntu into the current version (msgmerge
> quantal_ddtp.po raring_ddtp.po -o merged_ddtp.po, for example), there
> will be a lot of 'fuzzy' translations for strings that are similar (for
> example, meta packages for different programs, debugging symbols etc).
> These fuzzy often only need a few small changes (eg program name) to be
> accepted, which can really speed up translations. And you don't have to
> worry about google putting in a weird translation, since it is all based
> on earlier translations done by a human.
>
> On a related note, if any of you work on ddtp-translations offline, I
> have written a python program that can sort entries in ddtp po-files
> based on the popularity of the package. This way, the most popular
> packages will be at the top of the po file, and you are always sure you
> are working on the most important packages first.
>
> You can get the code here:
> bzr branch lp:~redmar/+junk/ddtp_popsort
>
> It has a small readme file, please let me know if something is unclear
> or not working for you.
>
> Regards,
> Redmar
> --
> Ubuntu Dutch Translators
>
>
> Hannie Dumoleyn schreef op ma 17-12-2012 om 17:58 [+0100]:
> > Hello Pierre,
> > This is a very good idea! I have just uploaded the first part of the
> > incomplete Dutch translation (900kb) to GTT.
> > Thanks,
> > Hannie
> >
> > Op 17-12-12 12:55, Pierre Slamich schreef:
> >
> > > The DDTP represent around 50 000 strings to translate * 140
> > > languages. On very good weeks, a typical translation team translates
> > > 500 strings (see UWN for examples weekly figures).
> > >
> > >
> > > Would take a lot of weeks (years?) with highly motivated volunteers
> > > of a large translation team, working non-stop, at their best to get
> > > done with it.
> > > Thus we had the idea to delegate initial translation suggestions to
> > > Google Translator Kit and review translations with humans to speed
> > > the process.
> > >
> > > We successfully did an import for circa 40 000 French strings  (yup
> > > you read that right) this week-end in a mock project called DDTP
> > > Automation (https://translations.launchpad.net/ddtpautomation).
> > > To keep it short, the translations from this project appear as
> > > suggestions in the French DDTP, and can be reviewed by actual
> > > translators.
> > > We've started using them, and it turns out that a lot of them are
> > > actually useful and are speeding up the translation process a lot.
> > >
> > > We detailed the (somewhat) tedious process in English at
> > > http://lite.framapad.org/p/ddtpUbuntu
> > > Questions and inquiries welcome.
> > >
> > > Pierre
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
> > > pierre.slamich at gmail.com
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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