<div dir="ltr">Well, I wasn't the one debating open/closed source. I was worried about having all my information and actions logged by one company...google<br><br>Remember our experience with a lot of power, in only one hand<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Amahdy AbdElAziz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:amahdy7@gmail.com">amahdy7@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000066"><font size="2"><font face="courier new,monospace">*sorry the <b>bank</b> was bankrupted...<br clear="all"></font></font></font><div class="im"><div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:courier new,monospace"><br>
</span><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:courier new,monospace"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)">-- Amahdy AbdElAziz</span><br style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><a style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)" href="http://www.amahdy.net" target="_blank">http://www.amahdy.net</a><br style="color:rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:courier new,monospace">
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<br><br></div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 19:18, Amahdy AbdElAziz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:amahdy7@gmail.com" target="_blank">amahdy7@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000066"><font size="2"><font face="courier new,monospace">Try at your own risk, there is no single guarantee that they will remain "secret".<br>Sometimes we prefer sacrificing with something to get benefit and advantage of something else, rule for the life not the "e-" section only :)<br>
<br>- What if someone successfully hacked an internet banking server?<br>- What if someone successfully rubbed the central bank that holds your money and the money was bankrupted?<br><br>See, it's a life-related rule, has nothing to do with Closed/Open companies ;-) <br clear="all">
</font></font></font><div><div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:courier new,monospace"><br></span><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:courier new,monospace"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)">-- Amahdy AbdElAziz</span><br style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)">
<a style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)" href="http://www.amahdy.net" target="_blank">http://www.amahdy.net</a><br style="color:rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:courier new,monospace"></span></div><br>
<br><br></div><div><div></div><div><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 19:09, Processing Qbits <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:processingqbits@gmail.com" target="_blank">processingqbits@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Ah, unfortunately, my good fellow, your view of the electronic world seems very constricted.<br><br>"You shouldn't do something secret over the web"....<br>So you're against e-businesses including all forms of online transactions and ebanking, you're against confidential emails? Aren't all these forms of secrets to be kept hidden?<br>
<br>I'm sorry, but this is not a strong argument for you at all, it's true that if one wants to keep a secret online, it might be very hard and at times close to impossible, but to not even try?<div><div></div><div>
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On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Amahdy AbdElAziz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:amahdy7@gmail.com" target="_blank">amahdy7@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000066"><font size="2"><font face="courier new,monospace">I have many examples on why you shouldn't do something secret<b> over the web</b>, even if you are using Open Source software built by you! Here is some of them:<br>
<br>1) You are sending and email to a close friend with sensitive information along with general information, he accidentally publicly share the email.<br>[[For example you send some love words to your fiancée and a picture of a flower, she liked that flower that she shared the email over Facebook,, so embarrassing]]<br>
<br>2) You send an email to seomone "A" and BCC someone else "B", "B" replies to all...<br><br>3) You are sending sensitive information over chat, and due to some bug, the information is sent to someone else!<br>
<br>4) You are storing your secrets on your own server and it got hacked!!<br><br>5) You decided to encrypt your own secret data and store them on the server, someone was able to predict your password after hacking your server (happens)...<br>
<br clear="all"></font></font></font><div><div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:courier new,monospace"><br></span><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:courier new,monospace"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)">-- Amahdy AbdElAziz</span><br style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)">
<a style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)" href="http://www.amahdy.net" target="_blank">http://www.amahdy.net</a><br style="color:rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:courier new,monospace"></span></div><br>
<br><br></div><div><div></div><div><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 18:46, Amahdy AbdElAziz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:amahdy7@gmail.com" target="_blank">amahdy7@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000066"><font size="2"><font face="courier new,monospace">Okay so are you afraid from having someone tracking you or keeping a log of what you are doing? why should you be afraid from that, are you doing something wrong? if you don't want someone know what you are doing then IMHO you shouldn't be doing it from the beginning, specially, over the web!<br>
<br>If you want to use a Canonical-hosted mail server instead of Google-hosted one, so how can you guarantee that Canonical won't one day keep log of your emails, not all of us can buy and configure his own mail server, and if it's not a physical server at your home (e.g. you have your own server managed by some hosting company) then you can't guarantee that this hosting company is not spying on you.<br>
<br>So again if you are doing something wrong then stop doing it, I don't mean any of you is doing something wrong, but I'm just explaining my point...<br><br>We all need all the time someone to manage some parts of our life, we can't do everything all the time, so we need to relay on someone to do that for us, for example I can't pen trace all the Ubuntu code to make sure that there isn't a back door somewhere, so I have to relay on some others who did so (who knows maybe they are paid to stay calm?? ,, I don't care, simply because all what I'm doing on my laptop is open to everybody, I have no problem on that).<br>
<br>I like Google -for now- because they believe in the Open Source, they started many many many Open Source projects along with their patches for Open Source projects like the Linux Kernel, the Ubuntu project itself, and many other small and big projects (Eclipse, Apache, Mozilla, KDE, Gnome, Drupal, and many much more) [[Yes they are still submitting patches for Firefox too!]]<br>
<br>I also like the data liberation concept that Google has, the data ownership to the user, but I also agree at the end of the day that we should be cautious, if we don't like something then we can simply raise our hands and let them know and it's proven that they respond (so far).<br>
<br>Personly, I completely understand that any company needs "Money" to survive and continue innovation, so I don't mind that Google collect some bucks from here and there so that they can deliver the quality that I want. They actually helped me a lot with this new product G+, so that I'm finally able to have a e-social life.<br>
BTW, this applied also for SUN, and currently apply also for IBM, RedHat, FixedSolutions, and many similar Companies that believe and encourage the OpenSource and need to collect some bucks at the same time!<br><br>Sorry for the long email, but I'd like also to mention one small experience:<br>
<br>- I like the fact that when I post something "Public" at G+, everybody that uses Internet can see it, event if he doesn't have a Gmail account. But something like Facebook won't show more than my profile picture, some of my interests, and a box asking to Sign Up first! (Hey, it's my data that I want to share with everybody, not yours to block it from people!!)<br>
</font></font></font><br><br><div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:courier new,monospace"></span><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 102);font-family:courier new,monospace"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)">-- Amahdy AbdElAziz</span><br style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)">
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 16:04, Haitham El-Ghareeb <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:helghareeb@gmail.com" target="_blank">helghareeb@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Checking, Thanks.<br></div><div><div></div><div><div><br>On 1 Jul 2011, at 05:51 PM, Processing Qbits <<a href="mailto:processingqbits@gmail.com" target="_blank">processingqbits@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">There are a lot that we can do....Don't keep all your eggs in one basket...And there is no need to actually put all the eggs in baskets, some eggs are better kept in the nest<br>
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On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Haitham El-Ghareeb <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:helghareeb@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:helghareeb@gmail.com" target="_blank">helghareeb@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>and there is nothing we can do, right? I wish I can stay away from facebook, Google +, or twitter but I can't. All my friends, students, and social life is there now. Just feeling so confused about that. Wanted to share it here :)<br>
<br>Thanks</div><div><div></div><div><div><br>On 1 Jul 2011, at 05:39 PM, "Jonathan N. Hindi" <<a href="mailto:jonathan.hindi@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:jonathan.hindi@gmail.com" target="_blank">jonathan.hindi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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</div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">+Islam Hassan, You are very right :) <br clear="all"><div dir="ltr">--<br>Thanks & Regards,<br><b>Jonathan N. Hindi<br></b><br></div><br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/1 Islam Hassan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eng.islam_hassan@hotmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:eng.islam_hassan@hotmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:eng.islam_hassan@hotmail.com" target="_blank">eng.islam_hassan@hotmail.com</a>></span><br>
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<font face="Tahoma" size="2">You forgot to mention the most two scary things about Google: First, Google Chrome OS depends completely on the cloud, that means every thing related to you is on Google servers. Second Google Android @ home & Google Android Open Accessory, Google will control every thing in your house. After watching Google IO day one keynote, what I had in mind was Umbrella from resident evil and USR's VIKI from I,Robot.</font><br>
<br><div style="font-family:Tahoma;font-size:10pt"><hr>Subject: Re: Online Meeting<br>From: <a href="mailto:helghareeb@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:helghareeb@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:helghareeb@gmail.com" target="_blank">helghareeb@gmail.com</a><br>
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 16:29:11 +0300<div><div>
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<br><div>@Ahmed Toulan +1</div><div>Yes this is what I meant, and sorry for the late reply. We are gathering to show the evilness of one vendor, that is Microsoft, and there is another one 'Google' is trying hardly to catch everywhere it can, OS, Mail, Social Media, Web browser, everywhere. That can't be right !!! It's like I'm surrounded with Google everywhere, till now no one has anything against Google, just I'm so worried that we are being caught.<br>
</div><div><br>On 1 Jul 2011, at 05:10 PM, Processing Qbits <<a href="mailto:processingqbits@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:processingqbits@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:processingqbits@gmail.com" target="_blank">processingqbits@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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That's why I believe more in Diaspora<br>
<br><div>On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Ahmed Kamal <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:email.ahmedkamal@googlemail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:email.ahmedkamal@googlemail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:email.ahmedkamal@googlemail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:email.ahmedkamal@googlemail.com" target="_blank">email.ahmedkamal@googlemail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">um but "Google lets you save a backup of your photos, profile information, contacts, circles, stream posts, and Buzz posts to your computer" on <a href="https://plus.google.com/u/0/settings/exportdata" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://plus.google.com/u/0/settings/exportdata" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://plus.google.com/u/0/settings/exportdata" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://plus.google.com/u/0/settings/exportdata" target="_blank">https://plus.google.com/u/0/settings/exportdata</a> doesn't sound too bad<div>
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<div><br></div><br><div>On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Ahmed Toulan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thelinuxer@ubuntu.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:thelinuxer@ubuntu.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:thelinuxer@ubuntu.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:thelinuxer@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">thelinuxer@ubuntu.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Well I think what he meant was that we are doing a different kind of vendor locking badro. Like you were locked to the windows platform one day, today you'll be locked inside the Google platform. And this is a real serious issue if you ask me, a real valid concern...<div>
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<br><div>On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Processing Qbits <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:processingqbits@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:processingqbits@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:processingqbits@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:processingqbits@gmail.com" target="_blank">processingqbits@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I didn't get that, would you be so kind as to elaborate more?<div><div></div><div><br><br><div>On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Haitham El-Ghareeb <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:helghareeb@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:helghareeb@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:helghareeb@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:helghareeb@gmail.com" target="_blank">helghareeb@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div>Lets hope not, I'm completely disappointed with this product, not from features side, but from the Open Web side, it's really getting serious that we are moving from a single Microsoft, to plenty of it!!!<br>
</div><div><div></div><div><div><br>On 1 Jul 2011, at 03:13 PM, Processing Qbits <<a href="mailto:processingqbits@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:processingqbits@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:processingqbits@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:processingqbits@gmail.com" target="_blank">processingqbits@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div><div dir="ltr">Google is putting up a strong fight against facebook...Diaspora and Google+<br>I actually have more faith in Diaspora, although it seems that Google+ will be ready before it<br><br><div>
2011/7/1 Islam Hassan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eng.islam_hassan@hotmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:eng.islam_hassan@hotmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:eng.islam_hassan@hotmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:eng.islam_hassan@hotmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:eng.islam_hassan@hotmail.com" target="_blank">eng.islam_hassan@hotmail.com</a>></span><br>
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Right now many of us don't have access to google+, but it's gonna be awesome to use it when it goes public.<br><br><div><hr>Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 14:44:06 +0300<br>Subject: Re: Online Meeting<br>From: <a href="mailto:thelinuxer@ubuntu.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:thelinuxer@ubuntu.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:thelinuxer@ubuntu.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:thelinuxer@ubuntu.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:thelinuxer@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">thelinuxer@ubuntu.com</a><br>
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<div></div><div><br><br><div dir="ltr">Personally I think we might use it in the future<br>
<br><div>On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Processing Qbits <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:processingqbits@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:processingqbits@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:processingqbits@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:processingqbits@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:processingqbits@gmail.com" target="_blank">processingqbits@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I don't have access to Google+ too...<div><div></div><div><br><br><div>
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Mohamed El-Feky <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:elfeky.m@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:elfeky.m@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:elfeky.m@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:elfeky.m@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:elfeky.m@gmail.com" target="_blank">elfeky.m@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">+1 for me<div><div></div><div><br><br><div>On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Jonathan N. Hindi <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jonathan.hindi@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:jonathan.hindi@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:jonathan.hindi@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:jonathan.hindi@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:jonathan.hindi@gmail.com" target="_blank">jonathan.hindi@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I don't think that all the team have access to Google+ ?<br clear="all"><div dir="ltr">--<br>Thanks & Regards,<br><b>Jonathan N. Hindi<br></b><br></div><br>
<br><br><div><div><div></div><div>On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Karim Ahmed <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:just.azzurri@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:just.azzurri@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:just.azzurri@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:just.azzurri@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:just.azzurri@gmail.com" target="_blank">just.azzurri@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I think it's a good idea if we organize Online Meeting at Google+ via Hangouts :)<br>so what's your opinions?<br><br><div><div style="font-size:13.3px;font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
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