[Ubuntu-eg] Stallman says cloud computing is a trap

Mon Jun 10 11:20:33 UTC 2013

ماشي معاكم حق و برضوا وجهة نظر، بس ميمنعش اني استخدم وسائل امنية اكتر واخد
احتياطي مادام في بديل كويس موجود، و مش شرط انه يكون تكنولوجيا قديمة، مثلاً
فايرفوكس بدل اندرويد. و مش معني ان كل الناس بتقبل كدا يبقي اقبل زيهم !
الناس بتعمل ثورات عشان الحرية، الحرية دي مش شرط تكون في الشارع، علي النت
برضوا.
On Jun 10, 2013 1:15 PM, "Mohammed Gamal" <m.gamal005 at gmail.com> wrote:

> @Amahdy:
> You can still use something like Tor if you want to hide your traffic
> from your ISP. The problem with cloud sites is that YOUR data resides
> at THEIR servers, so you have absolutely no control over it, and this
> is a valid risk (whether you're willing to take it is a different
> story). Stallman might be overdoing it, but he has some valid
> arguments.
>
> That's why initiatives like decentralized social networks like
> Freedombox and Diaspora are important to provide a future alternative
> for centralized social networks and clouds like Google and Facebook.
>
> I recommend you watch two talk by Eben Moglen, one titled 'Freedom in
> the cloud' and 'Why Political Liberty Depends on Software Freedom More
> Than Ever' keynote speech at FOSDEM 2011. Search for them in youtube,
> they're very informative.
>
> Regards,
> Mohammed
>
> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 1:08 PM, AMahdy AbdElAziz <amahdy7 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > +1 for Amr Ali. I kept repeating this for ever, it's your choice to
> either
> > stay outdated and ages behind technology just seeking a way for a fake
> > "privacy" and "free software", or to just move on like everybody on
> planet
> > earth is peacefully with his life. What's the big issue if someone in USA
> > knows your current location right "now"? What if they just hired a
> physical
> > person to track your current location, would you be able to stop him?
> >
> > Just place a big bold line between your internet life and your real life
> and
> > that's it.
> >
> > GNU Linux is "free open source software" but you never know what the
> > executable that you download pre-built contains. Will you download the
> > source of everything and compile? then make sure to "read" the source
> code
> > of everything too AND tell me how you gonna compile a compiler from
> source.
> >
> > Right now even if you open the internet from a direct connection with no
> > proxies, how can you tell that whoever providing you internet (your ISP)
> is
> > not tracking you? They easily CAN do it, and if it's not them then
> whoever
> > provide your ISP internet CAN do it. Big hassle to worry about it and at
> the
> > end of the day, do you really have something on internet to hide it?
> Please
> > just hide it now and forever!
> >
> >
> > --
> > AMahdy AbdElAziz
> > http://www.AMahdy.net
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Amr Ali <amr.ali.cc at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> The problem is not privacy, what is privacy? It's BS, doesn't exist. If
> >> someone
> >> wants privacy they should simply stop using the Internet, find a cave
> and
> >> protect it against satellite thermal imaging, and stay there for good.
> >> Also it
> >> is not about interfaces, Stallman is simply being stupid and ignorant by
> >> suggesting that having your own mail-server or replicating any of
> today's
> >> infrastructure technologies will help you in any significant way;
> >> absolutely
> >> not! It's about Big Data and information dissemination.
> >>
> >> There are just a few reasons that most "people" really need privacy for
> >> and they
> >> are mostly unjustified and often ludicrous. There's no way you can
> assert
> >> the
> >> privacy of a piece of information once it goes outside your machine;
> >> granted
> >> there are methods to help you "feel" more secure, but truth of the
> matter
> >> is,
> >> security in itself is a "feeling", it is an illusion, it's confidence
> >> built upon
> >> the unlikelihood of a persistent adversary, and that's why we invented
> the
> >> nomenclature of Advanced Persistent Threat (APT) which is used to
> account
> >> for
> >> worst case scenario profiles of malware, individuals, and organizations.
> >> Nothing
> >> can be secure or private indefinitely, it is theoretically impossible
> due
> >> to the
> >> lack of an epistemological authoritative root that can assert the
> security
> >> or
> >> privacy of any piece of information (e.g., Certificate Authorities are
> >> pseudo-roots because who can be authoritative about their security? No
> >> one!)
> >>
> >> I've helped build services that you just won't believe how accurately it
> >> can
> >> pin-point your location and identify you out of millions of other users
> >> based on
> >> very small data facets it collects once you visit any site that uses the
> >> service
> >> (and you cannot do much about it btw unless you want to start using
> Lynx),
> >> it
> >> sits on-top of billions of fingerprints. It is simply preposterous to
> even
> >> think
> >> that you have significant control over anything that comes out of your
> >> computer.
> >>
> >> </rant>
> >>
> >> National security under today's challenges (i.e., the fact that the
> >> virtual can
> >> and does affect the physical) forces governments to tap into the most
> >> fertile
> >> pool of intelligence.. I've gone on and on about this on my blog
> >>
> >> (
> http://d4de.tumblr.com/post/52374664591/thoughts-on-big-data-and-information-dissemination
> ).
> >>
> >> On 06/09/2013 10:13 PM, Eslam Mostafa wrote:
> >> > Hey guys,
> >> > while reading this article:
> >> >
> >> >
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/sep/29/cloud.computing.richard.stallman
> >> >
> >> > i was offended by this "The concept of using web-based programs like
> >> > Google's
> >> > Gmail is "worse than stupidity", according to a leading advocate of
> free
> >> > software." yeah felt stupid for a moment :D what does the guy use ?
> >> >
> >> > "this mail has been sent using GMAIL"
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Eslam Mostafa,
> >> > My Blog <http://cseslam.wordpress.com>
> >> > My Website <http://eslammostafa.com>
> >> > GNOME Memeber
> >> > Python/js/GTK+ Developer
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Amr Ali
> >>
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