[Ubuntu-eg] Fwd: [Ambassadors] Fwd: Fwd: Community programs analysis

Ahmed Araby araby.ahmed at gmail.com
Sat Jan 12 16:10:54 UTC 2013 

انا مابعتش الكلام دا علي الميل ليست علشان اطلب اننا نعمل gnome loco team او
حاجه زي دي انا بعته بس لانه فيه تقرير كويس عن اداء الفرق , ومساوئ ومزايا كل
واحد , بحيث الناس تستفيد :\


On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Islam Hassan <iah.vector at gmail.com> wrote:

> أنا رأيي حاجة زي دي ممكن نعملة كفرق فرعية أو مجموعات عمل، زي مثلا الفريق
> المسئول عن التصميمات هيكون في نفس الوقت فريق محلي لجيمب و إنك سكيب، و فريق
> تصميم و تطوير المواقع يكون فريق محلي لدروبال و جملة و هكذا، بس ده يستلزم
> الأول تثبيت الدور الأساسي مجموعات العمل دي في الفريق.
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Anas Emad <anas.emad at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> جميل جدا
>> و انا موافق اعمل جروب محلي لجملة
>> و جروب محلي للانكسكيب
>> و نبقي شتتنا مجهوداتنا بكفائة جدا في الوقت المفروض نوحد جهودنا اكتر علشان
>> نوصل لناس اكتر
>>
>> التخصص مش دلوقتي
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> أنس عماد الدين
>> فريق قفير
>> http://www.qafeer.com
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 4:55 PM, اسلام مصطفي <cseslam at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> i am a gnome member :v
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/1/12 Ahmed Araby <araby.ahmed at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> انا عن رايي شايف ان الموضوع بدرجة كبيرة عدد وشغل تسويق ووضوح هدف , ١ ٢ ٣
>>>> موضوع ان نخلي الشباب بتوع جنوم يروحوا يعملوا gnome loco team , العدد
>>>> عندنا مش مهول للدرجة بس  الفكره جميلة , بس اول مايبداو يهيكلوا المجتمع
>>>> بتاعهم الاول
>>>> الاكيد لو جنوم عملت سواج وتيشيترات واستكيرات ببلاش مافيش مشكله نعمل
>>>> لوكو تيم علي طول "ايموشن ضحكة شريرة"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Samar Ali <newgeneration92 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Almost done with this email! A whole year and no one moved a step to
>>>>> the action, and even he didn't lose his faith.
>>>>>
>>>>> At all, you should consider Gnome users in Egypt, start with asking
>>>>> people about that if they wanna go for Gnome community!
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12 January 2013 12:12, Ahmed Araby <araby.ahmed at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: Joerg Simon <jsimon at fedoraproject.org>
>>>>>> Date: Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:23 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [Ambassadors] Fwd: Fwd: Community programs analysis
>>>>>> To: ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> fyi - maybe something to learn from how we reflect to others who look
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> us from outside
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks sankarshan for the hint
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cu Joerg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>> Subject: Fwd: Community programs analysis
>>>>>> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:46:09 +0530
>>>>>> From: sankarshan <sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: jsimon at fedoraproject.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: Sriram Ramkrishna <sri at ramkrishna.me>
>>>>>> Date: Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:49 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Fwd: Community programs analysis
>>>>>> To: GNOME Marketing List <marketing-list at gnome.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: Diego Escalante Urrelo <diegoe at gnome.org>
>>>>>> Date: Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 12:21 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Fwd: Community programs analysis
>>>>>> To: Sriram Ramkrishna <sri at ramkrishna.me>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope this still holds true after this months.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I re-read my conclusions and I think they still are valid, I don't
>>>>>> know/think the programas changed much lately.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: Diego Escalante Urrelo <diegoe at gnome.org>
>>>>>> Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 7:24 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Community programs analysis
>>>>>> To: Stormy Peters <stormy at gnome.org>, Karen Sandler <karen at gnome.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As promised, here's an overview/analysis of the Ubuntu, Mozilla and
>>>>>> Fedora programs. I think there's some interesting data here.
>>>>>> I know it's really long, but I think it's jump-reading friendly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The final blocks: thoughts and conclusions; work as a summary, so you
>>>>>> can check that directly if you want. Conclusions are somewhat more
>>>>>> "tl;dr;".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =================
>>>>>> Ubuntu Local Community (LoCo) teams
>>>>>> =================
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These are local community teams all around the world, both official
>>>>>> and unofficial ones.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone can create a group, they only need to gather interested people
>>>>>> and follow a howto, which is more or less predictable if you know how
>>>>>> communities usually work:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - get interested peers
>>>>>> - create a mailing list in lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>> - create a wiki homepage in wiki.ubuntu.com
>>>>>> - create an IRC channel in freenode
>>>>>> - all these resources follow naming guidelines
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, before trying to become official you are expected to also:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - report monthly following a format
>>>>>> - appoint a contact person for the team
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To start operating officially and be recognized you need approval of
>>>>>> the LoCo Council. This means writing an application with your
>>>>>> resources, plans and membership. The usual.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's also a lot of documentation regarding governance and conflict
>>>>>> resolution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Consider that loco.ubuntu.com provides aggregation for events, news
>>>>>> and twitter/identi.ca feeds of the teams. I suppose this is carefully
>>>>>> filtered so to avoid endless and meaningless lists like
>>>>>> planet.ubuntu.com and similar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Text based information and representation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =================
>>>>>> Mozilla Communities
>>>>>> =================
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's a newsletter you can subscribe to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They have insanely iconic and graphical representations for
>>>>>> everything. The /contribute/ page is interesting, it's divided into:
>>>>>> - area of interest
>>>>>> - time available
>>>>>>   + interesting: "army of awesome".
>>>>>>     people answering questions in twitter and similar sites
>>>>>> - communities near you
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Communities takes you to a community mindmap widget that is fancy but
>>>>>> a bit useless.
>>>>>> It seems most communities handle their own website hosting(?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There doesn't seem to be an immediate homepage or starpage for
>>>>>> communities as a "community of communinities". It's currently just a
>>>>>> regional directory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Couldn't find the program details, I guess I overlooked it... Anyway,
>>>>>> googling "create mozilla community" didn't help. So it might not be
>>>>>> newcomer safe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Side note, this is an interesting setup to invite volunteers:
>>>>>> - https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReMo/SIGs/Marketing
>>>>>> - https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReMo/SIGs/Communications
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =================
>>>>>> Fedora ambassadors
>>>>>> =================
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Has an structure around regions and a central committee. Much like
>>>>>> LoCo teams, but feels a bit more "RedHat-ish". Specially considering
>>>>>> those stock market names:  Asia Pacific (APAC), Europe, Middle East,
>>>>>> and Africa (EMEA), Latin America (LATAM), and North America (NA).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They have a biz card generator. Handy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Few things are demanded from Ambassadors. Unlike LoCo teams, the
>>>>>> Ambassadors seem to limit to individual activities. This seems to be
>>>>>> more similar to a "local salesman" than community fostering.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The wiki is a bit boring, to be honest. It lacks the colorfulness of
>>>>>> mozilla.org and the 1-2-3 steps of ubuntu.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a constant mixture of "internal" information (templates,
>>>>>> processes) of the program with "external" information (howto, faq,
>>>>>> etc). This is extremely tiresome and considerably confusing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_project_structure
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =================
>>>>>> Some thoughts
>>>>>> =================
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By far, it seems ubuntu is the more succesful one based on the number
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> teams.
>>>>>> But otoh, mozilla is a newer effort. Fedora doesn't have much excuse
>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mozilla does a great job with its graphical material, it looks much
>>>>>> more professional than the other programs. This is just because they
>>>>>> have invested in such material design and production. We can do that,
>>>>>> but we have to be more demanding, beyond funny picture in the frame.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regarding Ubuntu vs Fedora, I think Fedora's program is an
>>>>>> afterthought when compared to LoCo. The two programs are similar, I
>>>>>> believe LoCo might be the older one. Or at least it seems older given
>>>>>> how much response it has.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It helps that Ubuntu has had people on the payroll devoted to
>>>>>> community activities and fostering, Fedora hasn't AFAIK.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also to consider, and perhaps one of my historical peeves with this,
>>>>>> is that the Fedora program is focused in exclusivity and recognition
>>>>>> of an /individual/, but the Ubuntu program is focused in teams and
>>>>>> team activities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =================
>>>>>> Some early conclusions
>>>>>> =================
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A first dump of ideas, I'd jump to some conclusions:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - our program has to have a really solid graphic backup, we have to
>>>>>> run away from big blocks of text.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - from the previous point, this follows: every page /must be designed/
>>>>>> and not a random collection of paragraphs and lists
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - there should be a quick "checkout" workflow for newcomers:
>>>>>> gnome.org/community -> create/join one -> list -> howto create/join
>>>>>> ->
>>>>>> centralized set of rules/FAQ/guidelines/resources
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - a dedicated team or person working on community fostering makes
>>>>>> sense if there's a clear set of goals and job description: recurrent
>>>>>> tasks, a constant stream of teams information, metrics for teams, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - demanding reports forces teams to be accountable. central
>>>>>> organization can know if they are actually working.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - we should focus on resources that are harder to use for personal
>>>>>> goals than for community goals:
>>>>>>   + Fedora Ambassadors get emails, biz cards and ambassador t-shirts.
>>>>>> These things help /them/ build an image but not necessarily a
>>>>>> /community/.
>>>>>>   + Ubuntu LoCo sends CDs, stickers, t-shirts, etc. These stuff is not
>>>>>> as individually useful, they are much more useful for community
>>>>>> activities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - I believe the LoCo model is the one we want to follow, with lessons
>>>>>> from Mozilla graphical support.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - maintaining community resources is a pain, we need a click-and-run
>>>>>> local.gnome.org site.
>>>>>>   + wiki editing is a barrier
>>>>>>   + web sites always look more legit than wikis
>>>>>>   + web sites are a more familiar UI
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - finally, I'd devote resources to make sure that having a community
>>>>>> has visual meaning: you get to maintain a real website, you get to
>>>>>> post pictures, etc.
>>>>>>   silly, but this is the same reason why people /love/ their Facebook
>>>>>> profiles: it's full of visual representations of them, their lifes and
>>>>>> their "achievements".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Overall, if you would give me a magical genie I would ask for:
>>>>>>  - local.gnome.org: easy to use, easy to maintain and full of
>>>>>> Facebookisms (meaning photos, aggregation, etc; not actual Facebook
>>>>>> integration)
>>>>>>  - a GNOME version of the LoCo program: we copy their program, plus
>>>>>> our own patches
>>>>>>  - a dedicated someone or someone(s) to fostering until we get to LoCo
>>>>>> Council level (where the community has grow enough to govern and
>>>>>> foster itself)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A very long email, take your time to read it.
>>>>>> I hope I didn't omit any resource or page that could have changed my
>>>>>> conclusions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Diego
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
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>>>>>> <http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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