[Ubuntu-eg] Fwd: [Ambassadors] Fwd: Fwd: Community programs analysis

Sat Jan 12 15:47:58 UTC 2013

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On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 4:55 PM, اسلام مصطفي <cseslam at gmail.com> wrote:

> i am a gnome member :v
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> 2013/1/12 Ahmed Araby <araby.ahmed at gmail.com>
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>> انا عن رايي شايف ان الموضوع بدرجة كبيرة عدد وشغل تسويق ووضوح هدف , ١ ٢ ٣
>> موضوع ان نخلي الشباب بتوع جنوم يروحوا يعملوا gnome loco team , العدد
>> عندنا مش مهول للدرجة بس  الفكره جميلة , بس اول مايبداو يهيكلوا المجتمع
>> بتاعهم الاول
>> الاكيد لو جنوم عملت سواج وتيشيترات واستكيرات ببلاش مافيش مشكله نعمل لوكو
>> تيم علي طول "ايموشن ضحكة شريرة"
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Samar Ali <newgeneration92 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Almost done with this email! A whole year and no one moved a step to the
>>> action, and even he didn't lose his faith.
>>>
>>> At all, you should consider Gnome users in Egypt, start with asking
>>> people about that if they wanna go for Gnome community!
>>>
>>> On 12 January 2013 12:12, Ahmed Araby <araby.ahmed at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: Joerg Simon <jsimon at fedoraproject.org>
>>>> Date: Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:23 PM
>>>> Subject: [Ambassadors] Fwd: Fwd: Community programs analysis
>>>> To: ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> fyi - maybe something to learn from how we reflect to others who look on
>>>> us from outside
>>>>
>>>> thanks sankarshan for the hint
>>>>
>>>> cu Joerg
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> Subject: Fwd: Community programs analysis
>>>> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:46:09 +0530
>>>> From: sankarshan <sankarshan.mukhopadhyay at gmail.com>
>>>> To: jsimon at fedoraproject.org
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: Sriram Ramkrishna <sri at ramkrishna.me>
>>>> Date: Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:49 AM
>>>> Subject: Fwd: Community programs analysis
>>>> To: GNOME Marketing List <marketing-list at gnome.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: Diego Escalante Urrelo <diegoe at gnome.org>
>>>> Date: Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 12:21 PM
>>>> Subject: Fwd: Community programs analysis
>>>> To: Sriram Ramkrishna <sri at ramkrishna.me>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hope this still holds true after this months.
>>>>
>>>> I re-read my conclusions and I think they still are valid, I don't
>>>> know/think the programas changed much lately.
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: Diego Escalante Urrelo <diegoe at gnome.org>
>>>> Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 7:24 PM
>>>> Subject: Community programs analysis
>>>> To: Stormy Peters <stormy at gnome.org>, Karen Sandler <karen at gnome.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As promised, here's an overview/analysis of the Ubuntu, Mozilla and
>>>> Fedora programs. I think there's some interesting data here.
>>>> I know it's really long, but I think it's jump-reading friendly.
>>>>
>>>> The final blocks: thoughts and conclusions; work as a summary, so you
>>>> can check that directly if you want. Conclusions are somewhat more
>>>> "tl;dr;".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =================
>>>> Ubuntu Local Community (LoCo) teams
>>>> =================
>>>>
>>>> These are local community teams all around the world, both official
>>>> and unofficial ones.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone can create a group, they only need to gather interested people
>>>> and follow a howto, which is more or less predictable if you know how
>>>> communities usually work:
>>>>
>>>> - get interested peers
>>>> - create a mailing list in lists.ubuntu.com
>>>> - create a wiki homepage in wiki.ubuntu.com
>>>> - create an IRC channel in freenode
>>>> - all these resources follow naming guidelines
>>>>
>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto
>>>>
>>>> Also, before trying to become official you are expected to also:
>>>>
>>>> - report monthly following a format
>>>> - appoint a contact person for the team
>>>>
>>>> To start operating officially and be recognized you need approval of
>>>> the LoCo Council. This means writing an application with your
>>>> resources, plans and membership. The usual.
>>>>
>>>> There's also a lot of documentation regarding governance and conflict
>>>> resolution.
>>>>
>>>> Consider that loco.ubuntu.com provides aggregation for events, news
>>>> and twitter/identi.ca feeds of the teams. I suppose this is carefully
>>>> filtered so to avoid endless and meaningless lists like
>>>> planet.ubuntu.com and similar.
>>>>
>>>> Text based information and representation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =================
>>>> Mozilla Communities
>>>> =================
>>>>
>>>> There's a newsletter you can subscribe to.
>>>>
>>>> They have insanely iconic and graphical representations for
>>>> everything. The /contribute/ page is interesting, it's divided into:
>>>> - area of interest
>>>> - time available
>>>>   + interesting: "army of awesome".
>>>>     people answering questions in twitter and similar sites
>>>> - communities near you
>>>>
>>>> Communities takes you to a community mindmap widget that is fancy but
>>>> a bit useless.
>>>> It seems most communities handle their own website hosting(?)
>>>>
>>>> There doesn't seem to be an immediate homepage or starpage for
>>>> communities as a "community of communinities". It's currently just a
>>>> regional directory.
>>>>
>>>> Couldn't find the program details, I guess I overlooked it... Anyway,
>>>> googling "create mozilla community" didn't help. So it might not be
>>>> newcomer safe.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Side note, this is an interesting setup to invite volunteers:
>>>> - https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReMo/SIGs/Marketing
>>>> - https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReMo/SIGs/Communications
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =================
>>>> Fedora ambassadors
>>>> =================
>>>>
>>>> Has an structure around regions and a central committee. Much like
>>>> LoCo teams, but feels a bit more "RedHat-ish". Specially considering
>>>> those stock market names:  Asia Pacific (APAC), Europe, Middle East,
>>>> and Africa (EMEA), Latin America (LATAM), and North America (NA).
>>>>
>>>> They have a biz card generator. Handy.
>>>>
>>>> Few things are demanded from Ambassadors. Unlike LoCo teams, the
>>>> Ambassadors seem to limit to individual activities. This seems to be
>>>> more similar to a "local salesman" than community fostering.
>>>>
>>>> The wiki is a bit boring, to be honest. It lacks the colorfulness of
>>>> mozilla.org and the 1-2-3 steps of ubuntu.com
>>>>
>>>> There is a constant mixture of "internal" information (templates,
>>>> processes) of the program with "external" information (howto, faq,
>>>> etc). This is extremely tiresome and considerably confusing.
>>>>
>>>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors_project_structure
>>>>
>>>> =================
>>>> Some thoughts
>>>> =================
>>>>
>>>> By far, it seems ubuntu is the more succesful one based on the number of
>>>> teams.
>>>> But otoh, mozilla is a newer effort. Fedora doesn't have much excuse
>>>> though.
>>>>
>>>> Mozilla does a great job with its graphical material, it looks much
>>>> more professional than the other programs. This is just because they
>>>> have invested in such material design and production. We can do that,
>>>> but we have to be more demanding, beyond funny picture in the frame.
>>>>
>>>> Regarding Ubuntu vs Fedora, I think Fedora's program is an
>>>> afterthought when compared to LoCo. The two programs are similar, I
>>>> believe LoCo might be the older one. Or at least it seems older given
>>>> how much response it has.
>>>>
>>>> It helps that Ubuntu has had people on the payroll devoted to
>>>> community activities and fostering, Fedora hasn't AFAIK.
>>>>
>>>> Also to consider, and perhaps one of my historical peeves with this,
>>>> is that the Fedora program is focused in exclusivity and recognition
>>>> of an /individual/, but the Ubuntu program is focused in teams and
>>>> team activities.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =================
>>>> Some early conclusions
>>>> =================
>>>>
>>>> A first dump of ideas, I'd jump to some conclusions:
>>>>
>>>> - our program has to have a really solid graphic backup, we have to
>>>> run away from big blocks of text.
>>>>
>>>> - from the previous point, this follows: every page /must be designed/
>>>> and not a random collection of paragraphs and lists
>>>>
>>>> - there should be a quick "checkout" workflow for newcomers:
>>>> gnome.org/community -> create/join one -> list -> howto create/join ->
>>>> centralized set of rules/FAQ/guidelines/resources
>>>>
>>>> - a dedicated team or person working on community fostering makes
>>>> sense if there's a clear set of goals and job description: recurrent
>>>> tasks, a constant stream of teams information, metrics for teams, etc.
>>>>
>>>> - demanding reports forces teams to be accountable. central
>>>> organization can know if they are actually working.
>>>>
>>>> - we should focus on resources that are harder to use for personal
>>>> goals than for community goals:
>>>>   + Fedora Ambassadors get emails, biz cards and ambassador t-shirts.
>>>> These things help /them/ build an image but not necessarily a
>>>> /community/.
>>>>   + Ubuntu LoCo sends CDs, stickers, t-shirts, etc. These stuff is not
>>>> as individually useful, they are much more useful for community
>>>> activities.
>>>>
>>>> - I believe the LoCo model is the one we want to follow, with lessons
>>>> from Mozilla graphical support.
>>>>
>>>> - maintaining community resources is a pain, we need a click-and-run
>>>> local.gnome.org site.
>>>>   + wiki editing is a barrier
>>>>   + web sites always look more legit than wikis
>>>>   + web sites are a more familiar UI
>>>>
>>>> - finally, I'd devote resources to make sure that having a community
>>>> has visual meaning: you get to maintain a real website, you get to
>>>> post pictures, etc.
>>>>   silly, but this is the same reason why people /love/ their Facebook
>>>> profiles: it's full of visual representations of them, their lifes and
>>>> their "achievements".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Overall, if you would give me a magical genie I would ask for:
>>>>  - local.gnome.org: easy to use, easy to maintain and full of
>>>> Facebookisms (meaning photos, aggregation, etc; not actual Facebook
>>>> integration)
>>>>  - a GNOME version of the LoCo program: we copy their program, plus
>>>> our own patches
>>>>  - a dedicated someone or someone(s) to fostering until we get to LoCo
>>>> Council level (where the community has grow enough to govern and
>>>> foster itself)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A very long email, take your time to read it.
>>>> I hope I didn't omit any resource or page that could have changed my
>>>> conclusions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Diego
>>>>
>>>>
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