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On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:25 PM, Processing Qbits <processingqbits at gmail.com
> wrote:

> LOL @ Disclaimer
>
> Seriously though, the point is, there is a huge difference between doing
> what you can to preserve your privacy and just leaving it all...
>
> I know that my ISP probably has much more intel on me than anyone ever
> could....or at least they could try
> But the question is...can I prevent that? if so, then how?
>
> Google doesn't have as much intel on me, does that mean since someone can
> access my information easily, I should stop caring?
>
> As you said, there are protocols for avoiding MITM attacks, to an
> extent....so we take it....for matters like the one at hand, we can avoid
> having all our logs on one company....why not take it?
>
> I might be a bit paranoid, but I have a good reason to.
>
> You asked about an example of usage....I can give you a huge range from
> World War III to psychological manipulation to political manipulation to
> tracking notable people etc. etc.
>
> If I have a personal log of a person's e-life, which is almost like his
> real life by the way since bits and pieces can be joined to know the
> rest....the question then would be, what couldn't I do?
>
> A person who hacks google (or any part of it, from inside or outside or
> through governmental privileges) could do anything.....I'll leave it to your
> own imagination
>
> Who would want to hurt you if you're not a celebrity? Someone that you've
> hurt somehow, unless you have no enemies....then you could be framed by
> someone (since not many eyes will be aware).....and the list would go on...
>
> The matter of privacy is indeed a great matter...but it seems that people
> are giving it less concern with time...but remember, it IS the WILD WILD Web
> :D
>
> Inside your home, one of the members could just post "YES!! I love fish"
> and that would be enough to know what you had for lunch ;)
> Between friends...honestly?
> Inside your mind, I'm afraid that is the only place that I feel secure
> in....but one can't simply ignore the Brain-Computer Interface, can he? :D
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:01 PM, Haitham El-Ghareeb <helghareeb at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> What nobody can track is what's going on INSIDE my home, BETWEEN my
>> friends, INSIDE my mind...
>>
>> Are you sure they haven't started doing so yet? Seriously...
>>
>> Defining Right from Wrong, is a real philosophical issue. You can't simply
>> inform me to do right things. What is right and wrong. Stimulating people
>> for the Egyptian Revolution before 25 Jan, was it considered 'Right' before
>> that date?
>>
>> Let's see what is going to happen in the coming Technological Years, which
>> is for sure, shorter than what we expect :)
>>
>> Thanks for your reply.
>>
>> On 1 Jul 2011, at 11:48 PM, "Angie T. Muhammad" <angie.tawfik at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> if anyone in the world is interested enough to sit next to me and see
>>> everything I do over my laptop, then he will be more than welcome, no
>>> problem for me ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> So may I come over and watch you while you are purchasing an ebook online?
>> I can easily memorize your credit /debit card data and financial info.
>>
>> Prevention is better than cure. Privacy is a concept that must be
>> maintained in real and e-life.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:40 PM, Amahdy AbdElAziz < <amahdy7 at gmail.com>
>> amahdy7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> +Haitham: I completely agree with #1, and I'll explain my point in this
>>> next reply concerning #2:
>>>
>>> +Qbits: I slightly disagree with you, I read your posts but no I'm not
>>> shutting my eyes. I said earlier (if proved I'll sue them) about privacy and
>>> stuff like that...
>>>
>>> It's just like having someone tracking you and keep records of each thing
>>> you do in your real life (which roads you take, where you go, who you meet,
>>> what's your family members ...etc). If someone has free time enough to do
>>> that then I have no single problem because he will write something like "Go
>>> to work, Hang out with friends, Go Home, ...etc" ,, nothing that may
>>> interest anybody in the world (Is he going to write my daily memo for me??).
>>> But while I may be walking in public roads, and using public
>>> transportations, and go to public places, if I noticed that someone is
>>> really tracking this all I'll definitely sue him, that's by nature.
>>>
>>> A company like Google for example, *lets you turn off* tracking and
>>> history of all its products, if proved that they don't really turn it off
>>> then I'll sue them (even though I don't care, but it's matter of principals
>>> and some "privacy").
>>>
>>> What nobody can track is what's going on INSIDE my home, BETWEEN my
>>> friends, INSIDE my mind ... but let's see all the Google products you
>>> mentioned, what's the problem if they know my blogs, my videos that I watch,
>>> my Buzz, my email address, and even my location (via latitude), I'm not that
>>> famous to care :) (But again, if proved, I'll sue them).
>>>
>>> If I care about having a secret email, I'll never write something like
>>> "MySecretEmail = secret at top.secure" anywhere, isn't it?
>>>
>>> Finally you mentioned "ideas that I've debated (like this one)", if you
>>> don't use a GMail and someone in the list does, isn't that sound like Google
>>> got the information after all? the information is originally public and
>>> anyone can easily access it, the spiders before humans too.
>>>
>>> So basically, I don't see any reason make me want to live a secret agent,
>>> if anyone in the world is interested enough to sit next to me and see
>>> everything I do over my laptop, then he will be more than welcome, no
>>> problem for me ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Amahdy AbdElAziz
>>>  <http://www.amahdy.net>http://www.amahdy.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 20:37, Processing Qbits <<processingqbits at gmail.com>
>>> processingqbits at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As much as I appreciate and love having these debates, I have argued a
>>>> lot about this, that's why I provided two links to the posts I've written
>>>> about this matter.
>>>>
>>>> I completely agree with the idea of having more options, it's the reason
>>>> I support Diaspora over facebook and google+, it's the reason I don't want
>>>> to have all my data logged by one company and it is the reason that I fear,
>>>> one entity changes its views/sells its soul/or gets hacked, would endanger
>>>> my whole e-life.
>>>>
>>>> Google is a respectable company, it deserves all salutation from me, I'm
>>>> not pointing at it and saying it's a bad thing, neither am I holding a
>>>> "boycott google" mission here. What worries me most is one company having
>>>> all sorts of logs on me. One company that through it, they can know
>>>> everything about me, my name, DOB, emails, addresses, pictures, family
>>>> members, friends, friends of friends and their families, any secret emails
>>>> (one simply can't stop sending secrets online, sometimes you even send
>>>> something and wish to take it back), interests, videos that I've watched,
>>>> things that I've searched, ideas that I've debated (like this one), my
>>>> blogs, work that I've submitted, work that I'm thinking of submitting, ideas
>>>> that I want to work in.....if you tell me, all this doesn't matter....you're
>>>> just shutting your eyes
>>>>
>>>> Chromium OS to gmail to youtube, to google search engines, to google+,
>>>> to google maps, to google's android.....a lovely google integrated e-life,
>>>> may be for some, but for me, it'll always be my utmost fear, putting all my
>>>> private information in one bucket
>>>>
>>>> My solution, use a different OS if you're going to use gmail....use a
>>>> different search engine if you're using google+....use a different social
>>>> network if you're using google's android....mix things up a little bit....at
>>>> least yahoo won't know your private information while you search, google
>>>> won't differ between your family, friends and interests that much...facebook
>>>> won't know what you secretly say in emails....
>>>>
>>>> And yet again, you can look at my World War III theory....in the first
>>>> link
>>>>
>>>> Or read a very long debate that I already had on the subject...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Haitham El-Ghareeb <<helghareeb at gmail.com>
>>>> helghareeb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So, I believe this discussion is moving in two different, however
>>>>> parallel topics now:
>>>>> 1 - The idea of Google versus Others
>>>>> 2 - The idea of logging every single move we make online
>>>>>
>>>>> For the first Topic, You argue that Google is better than others. You
>>>>> are right to some extent, because Google took many initiatives 'you
>>>>> mentioned plenty of them', all of us respect Google, but I'm seriously
>>>>> worried because I think they are heading fast to the buckets part now. I
>>>>> prefer Google myself, with precautions.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2 - Regarding this point, I completely disagree. I don't agree to have
>>>>> every single activitiy of mine logged, just because they provide me the
>>>>> service. I'll not dig to the 'doing something wrong' so this doesn't turn
>>>>> personal, and I will not reply to this too. Logging every single action is
>>>>> something that is leading to places.... You know, may be you tell us what
>>>>> would you do with such data? Please, I'm interested to know if you hold this
>>>>> data, how would you benefit from it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Haitham
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1 Jul 2011, at 08:39 PM, Amahdy AbdElAziz < <amahdy7 at gmail.com>
>>>>> amahdy7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, exactly, and so what? if they log every single action I do over
>>>>> Internet (if proved I'll sue them) but I don't actually care and I don't
>>>>> understand why should someone care?
>>>>> In the other hand, my data is in one only hand that I cautiously relay
>>>>> -for now-, instead of duplicating my data across many companies...
>>>>>
>>>>> When you distribute something, it's better to distribute it over many
>>>>> baskets (don't put all your fortune in one bank, but many different banks,
>>>>> so that if one bank got robbed, you'll still have some money somewhere else)
>>>>>
>>>>> But when you just want to store information, it's better to keep it in
>>>>> one only place (when you store your credit card information in many
>>>>> merchants, the probability of getting it stolen increases, but when you use
>>>>> Google Checkout only (or paypal, or amazon, or ...etc) only for all your
>>>>> e-purchases, then it depends on your luck having this 3rd party hacked)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Amahdy AbdElAziz
>>>>>  <http://www.amahdy.net> <http://www.amahdy.net>http://www.amahdy.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 19:24, Processing Qbits <<processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com>
>>>>> processingqbits at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, I wasn't the one debating open/closed source. I was worried
>>>>>> about having all my information and actions logged by one company...google
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Remember our experience with a lot of power, in only one hand
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Amahdy AbdElAziz <<amahdy7 at gmail.com><amahdy7 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> amahdy7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *sorry the *bank* was bankrupted...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- Amahdy AbdElAziz
>>>>>>> <http://www.amahdy.net> <http://www.amahdy.net>http://www.amahdy.net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 19:18, Amahdy AbdElAziz < <amahdy7 at gmail.com><amahdy7 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> amahdy7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Try at your own risk, there is no single guarantee that they will
>>>>>>>> remain "secret".
>>>>>>>> Sometimes we prefer sacrificing with something to get benefit and
>>>>>>>> advantage of something else, rule for the life not the "e-" section only :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - What if someone successfully hacked an internet banking server?
>>>>>>>> - What if someone successfully rubbed the central bank that holds
>>>>>>>> your money and the money was bankrupted?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See, it's a life-related rule, has nothing to do with Closed/Open
>>>>>>>> companies ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- Amahdy AbdElAziz
>>>>>>>>  <http://www.amahdy.net> <http://www.amahdy.net>
>>>>>>>> http://www.amahdy.net
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 19:09, Processing Qbits <<processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> processingqbits at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ah, unfortunately, my good fellow, your view of the electronic
>>>>>>>>> world seems very constricted.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "You shouldn't do something secret over the web"....
>>>>>>>>> So you're against e-businesses including all forms of online
>>>>>>>>> transactions and ebanking, you're against confidential emails? Aren't all
>>>>>>>>> these forms of secrets to be kept hidden?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry, but this is not a strong argument for you at all, it's
>>>>>>>>> true that if one wants to keep a secret online, it might be very hard and at
>>>>>>>>> times close to impossible, but to not even try?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Amahdy AbdElAziz <<amahdy7 at gmail.com><amahdy7 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> amahdy7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have many examples on why you shouldn't do something secret*over the web
>>>>>>>>>> *, even if you are using Open Source software built by you! Here
>>>>>>>>>> is some of them:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1) You are sending and email to a close friend with sensitive
>>>>>>>>>> information along with general information, he accidentally publicly share
>>>>>>>>>> the email.
>>>>>>>>>> [[For example you send some love words to your fiancée and a
>>>>>>>>>> picture of a flower, she liked that flower that she shared the email over
>>>>>>>>>> Facebook,, so embarrassing]]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2) You send an email to seomone "A" and BCC someone else "B", "B"
>>>>>>>>>> replies to all...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 3) You are sending sensitive information over chat, and due to
>>>>>>>>>> some bug, the information is sent to someone else!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 4) You are storing your secrets on your own server and it got
>>>>>>>>>> hacked!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 5) You decided to encrypt your own secret data and store them on
>>>>>>>>>> the server, someone was able to predict your password after hacking your
>>>>>>>>>> server (happens)...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -- Amahdy AbdElAziz
>>>>>>>>>>  <http://www.amahdy.net> <http://www.amahdy.net>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.amahdy.net
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 18:46, Amahdy AbdElAziz <<amahdy7 at gmail.com><amahdy7 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> amahdy7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Okay so are you afraid from having someone tracking you or
>>>>>>>>>>> keeping a log of what you are doing? why should you be afraid from that, are
>>>>>>>>>>> you doing something wrong? if you don't want someone know what you are doing
>>>>>>>>>>> then IMHO you shouldn't be doing it from the beginning, specially, over the
>>>>>>>>>>> web!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you want to use a Canonical-hosted mail server instead of
>>>>>>>>>>> Google-hosted one, so how can you guarantee that Canonical won't one day
>>>>>>>>>>> keep log of your emails, not all of us can buy and configure his own mail
>>>>>>>>>>> server, and if it's not a physical server at your home (e.g. you have your
>>>>>>>>>>> own server managed by some hosting company) then you can't guarantee that
>>>>>>>>>>> this hosting company is not spying on you.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So again if you are doing something wrong then stop doing it, I
>>>>>>>>>>> don't mean any of you is doing something wrong, but I'm just explaining my
>>>>>>>>>>> point...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We all need all the time someone to manage some parts of our
>>>>>>>>>>> life, we can't do everything all the time, so we need to relay on someone to
>>>>>>>>>>> do that for us, for example I can't pen trace all the Ubuntu code to make
>>>>>>>>>>> sure that there isn't a back door somewhere, so I have to relay on some
>>>>>>>>>>> others who did so (who knows maybe they are paid to stay calm?? ,, I don't
>>>>>>>>>>> care, simply because all what I'm doing on my laptop is open to everybody, I
>>>>>>>>>>> have no problem on that).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I like Google -for now- because they believe in the Open Source,
>>>>>>>>>>> they started many many many Open Source projects along with their patches
>>>>>>>>>>> for Open Source projects like the Linux Kernel, the Ubuntu project itself,
>>>>>>>>>>> and many other small and big projects (Eclipse, Apache, Mozilla, KDE, Gnome,
>>>>>>>>>>> Drupal, and many much more) [[Yes they are still submitting patches for
>>>>>>>>>>> Firefox too!]]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I also like the data liberation concept that Google has, the data
>>>>>>>>>>> ownership to the user, but I also agree at the end of the day that we should
>>>>>>>>>>> be cautious, if we don't like something then we can simply raise our hands
>>>>>>>>>>> and let them know and it's proven that they respond (so far).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Personly, I completely understand that any company needs "Money"
>>>>>>>>>>> to survive and continue innovation, so I don't mind that Google collect some
>>>>>>>>>>> bucks from here and there so that they can deliver the quality that I want.
>>>>>>>>>>> They actually helped me a lot with this new product G+, so that I'm finally
>>>>>>>>>>> able to have a e-social life.
>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, this applied also for SUN, and currently apply also for IBM,
>>>>>>>>>>> RedHat, FixedSolutions, and many similar Companies that believe and
>>>>>>>>>>> encourage the OpenSource and need to collect some bucks at the same time!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry for the long email, but I'd like also to mention one small
>>>>>>>>>>> experience:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> - I like the fact that when I post something "Public" at G+,
>>>>>>>>>>> everybody that uses Internet can see it, event if he doesn't have a Gmail
>>>>>>>>>>> account. But something like Facebook won't show more than my profile
>>>>>>>>>>> picture, some of my interests, and a box asking to Sign Up first! (Hey, it's
>>>>>>>>>>> my data that I want to share with everybody, not yours to block it from
>>>>>>>>>>> people!!)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -- Amahdy AbdElAziz
>>>>>>>>>>>  <http://www.amahdy.net> <http://www.amahdy.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.amahdy.net
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 16:04, Haitham El-Ghareeb <<helghareeb at gmail.com><helghareeb at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> helghareeb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Checking, Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Jul 2011, at 05:51 PM, Processing Qbits <<processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> processingqbits at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There are a lot that we can do....Don't keep all your eggs in
>>>>>>>>>>>> one basket...And there is no need to actually put all the eggs in baskets,
>>>>>>>>>>>> some eggs are better kept in the nest
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Haitham El-Ghareeb <<helghareeb at gmail.com><helghareeb at gmail.com><helghareeb at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> helghareeb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and there is nothing we can do, right? I wish I can stay away
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from facebook, Google +, or twitter but I can't. All my friends, students,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and social life is there now. Just feeling so confused about that. Wanted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> share it here :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Jul 2011, at 05:39 PM, "Jonathan N. Hindi" <<jonathan.hindi at gmail.com><jonathan.hindi at gmail.com><jonathan.hindi at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jonathan.hindi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> +Islam Hassan, You are very right :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks & Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Jonathan N. Hindi
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2011/7/1 Islam Hassan < <eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com><eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com><eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com><eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  You forgot to mention the most two scary things about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google: First, Google Chrome OS depends completely on the cloud, that means
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every thing related to you is on Google servers. Second Google Android @
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> home & Google Android Open Accessory, Google will control every thing in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your house. After watching Google IO day one keynote, what I had in mind was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Umbrella from resident evil and USR's VIKI from I,Robot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Online Meeting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: <helghareeb at gmail.com> <helghareeb at gmail.com><helghareeb at gmail.com><helghareeb at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helghareeb at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 16:29:11 +0300
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com> <ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com><ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com><ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @Ahmed Toulan +1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes this is what I meant, and sorry for the late reply. We are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gathering to show the evilness of one vendor, that is Microsoft, and there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is another one 'Google' is trying hardly to catch everywhere it can, OS,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mail, Social Media, Web browser, everywhere. That can't be right !!! It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like I'm surrounded with Google everywhere, till now no one has anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> against Google, just I'm so worried that we are being caught.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Jul 2011, at 05:10 PM, Processing Qbits <<processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processingqbits at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's why I believe more in Diaspora
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Ahmed Kamal <<email.ahmedkamal at googlemail.com><email.ahmedkamal at googlemail.com><email.ahmedkamal at googlemail.com><email.ahmedkamal at googlemail.com><email.ahmedkamal at googlemail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email.ahmedkamal at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> um but "Google lets you save a backup of your photos, profile
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information, contacts, circles, stream posts, and Buzz posts to your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer" on <https://plus.google.com/u/0/settings/exportdata><https://plus.google.com/u/0/settings/exportdata><https://plus.google.com/u/0/settings/exportdata><https://plus.google.com/u/0/settings/exportdata><https://plus.google.com/u/0/settings/exportdata>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/settings/exportdata doesn't sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too bad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Ahmed Toulan <<thelinuxer at ubuntu.com><thelinuxer at ubuntu.com><thelinuxer at ubuntu.com><thelinuxer at ubuntu.com><thelinuxer at ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thelinuxer at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well I think what he meant was that we are doing a different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kind of vendor locking badro. Like you were locked to the windows platform
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one day, today you'll be locked inside the Google platform. And this is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real serious issue if you ask me, a real valid concern...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Processing Qbits <<processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processingqbits at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't get that, would you be so kind as to elaborate more?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Haitham El-Ghareeb <<helghareeb at gmail.com><helghareeb at gmail.com><helghareeb at gmail.com><helghareeb at gmail.com><helghareeb at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helghareeb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lets hope not, I'm completely disappointed with this product,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not from features side, but from the Open Web side, it's really getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serious that we are moving from a single Microsoft, to plenty of it!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Jul 2011, at 03:13 PM, Processing Qbits <<processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processingqbits at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google is putting up a strong fight against
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facebook...Diaspora and Google+
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I actually have more faith in Diaspora, although it seems that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google+ will be ready before it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2011/7/1 Islam Hassan < <eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com><eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com><eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com><eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com><eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com><eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Right now many of us don't have access to google+, but it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gonna be awesome to use it when it goes public.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 14:44:06 +0300
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Online Meeting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: <thelinuxer at ubuntu.com> <thelinuxer at ubuntu.com><thelinuxer at ubuntu.com><thelinuxer at ubuntu.com><thelinuxer at ubuntu.com><thelinuxer at ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thelinuxer at ubuntu.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com> <ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com><ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com><ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com><ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com><ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally I think we might use it in the future
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Processing Qbits <<processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processingqbits at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have access to Google+ too...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Mohamed El-Feky <<elfeky.m at gmail.com><elfeky.m at gmail.com><elfeky.m at gmail.com><elfeky.m at gmail.com><elfeky.m at gmail.com><elfeky.m at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elfeky.m at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Jonathan N. Hindi <<jonathan.hindi at gmail.com><jonathan.hindi at gmail.com><jonathan.hindi at gmail.com><jonathan.hindi at gmail.com><jonathan.hindi at gmail.com><jonathan.hindi at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jonathan.hindi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think that all the team have access to Google+ ?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks & Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Jonathan N. Hindi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Karim Ahmed <<just.azzurri at gmail.com><just.azzurri at gmail.com><just.azzurri at gmail.com><just.azzurri at gmail.com><just.azzurri at gmail.com><just.azzurri at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just.azzurri at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it's a good idea if we organize Online Meeting at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google+ via Hangouts :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so what's your opinions?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Karim Ahmed,*
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