Online Meeting
Processing Qbits
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Fri Jul 1 18:37:09 UTC 2011
As much as I appreciate and love having these debates, I have argued a lot
about this, that's why I provided two links to the posts I've written about
this matter.
I completely agree with the idea of having more options, it's the reason I
support Diaspora over facebook and google+, it's the reason I don't want to
have all my data logged by one company and it is the reason that I fear, one
entity changes its views/sells its soul/or gets hacked, would endanger my
whole e-life.
Google is a respectable company, it deserves all salutation from me, I'm not
pointing at it and saying it's a bad thing, neither am I holding a "boycott
google" mission here. What worries me most is one company having all sorts
of logs on me. One company that through it, they can know everything about
me, my name, DOB, emails, addresses, pictures, family members, friends,
friends of friends and their families, any secret emails (one simply can't
stop sending secrets online, sometimes you even send something and wish to
take it back), interests, videos that I've watched, things that I've
searched, ideas that I've debated (like this one), my blogs, work that I've
submitted, work that I'm thinking of submitting, ideas that I want to work
in.....if you tell me, all this doesn't matter....you're just shutting your
eyes
Chromium OS to gmail to youtube, to google search engines, to google+, to
google maps, to google's android.....a lovely google integrated e-life, may
be for some, but for me, it'll always be my utmost fear, putting all my
private information in one bucket
My solution, use a different OS if you're going to use gmail....use a
different search engine if you're using google+....use a different social
network if you're using google's android....mix things up a little bit....at
least yahoo won't know your private information while you search, google
won't differ between your family, friends and interests that much...facebook
won't know what you secretly say in emails....
And yet again, you can look at my World War III theory....in the first link
Or read a very long debate that I already had on the subject...
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Haitham El-Ghareeb <helghareeb at gmail.com>wrote:
> So, I believe this discussion is moving in two different, however parallel
> topics now:
> 1 - The idea of Google versus Others
> 2 - The idea of logging every single move we make online
>
> For the first Topic, You argue that Google is better than others. You are
> right to some extent, because Google took many initiatives 'you mentioned
> plenty of them', all of us respect Google, but I'm seriously worried because
> I think they are heading fast to the buckets part now. I prefer Google
> myself, with precautions.
>
> 2 - Regarding this point, I completely disagree. I don't agree to have
> every single activitiy of mine logged, just because they provide me the
> service. I'll not dig to the 'doing something wrong' so this doesn't turn
> personal, and I will not reply to this too. Logging every single action is
> something that is leading to places.... You know, may be you tell us what
> would you do with such data? Please, I'm interested to know if you hold this
> data, how would you benefit from it?
>
> Regards
> Haitham
>
> On 1 Jul 2011, at 08:39 PM, Amahdy AbdElAziz <amahdy7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, exactly, and so what? if they log every single action I do over
> Internet (if proved I'll sue them) but I don't actually care and I don't
> understand why should someone care?
> In the other hand, my data is in one only hand that I cautiously relay -for
> now-, instead of duplicating my data across many companies...
>
> When you distribute something, it's better to distribute it over many
> baskets (don't put all your fortune in one bank, but many different banks,
> so that if one bank got robbed, you'll still have some money somewhere else)
>
> But when you just want to store information, it's better to keep it in one
> only place (when you store your credit card information in many merchants,
> the probability of getting it stolen increases, but when you use Google
> Checkout only (or paypal, or amazon, or ...etc) only for all your
> e-purchases, then it depends on your luck having this 3rd party hacked)
>
>
> -- Amahdy AbdElAziz
> <http://www.amahdy.net>http://www.amahdy.net
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 19:24, Processing Qbits <<processingqbits at gmail.com>
> processingqbits at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, I wasn't the one debating open/closed source. I was worried about
>> having all my information and actions logged by one company...google
>>
>> Remember our experience with a lot of power, in only one hand
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Amahdy AbdElAziz < <amahdy7 at gmail.com>
>> amahdy7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> *sorry the *bank* was bankrupted...
>>>
>>> -- Amahdy AbdElAziz
>>> <http://www.amahdy.net>http://www.amahdy.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 19:18, Amahdy AbdElAziz < <amahdy7 at gmail.com>
>>> amahdy7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Try at your own risk, there is no single guarantee that they will remain
>>>> "secret".
>>>> Sometimes we prefer sacrificing with something to get benefit and
>>>> advantage of something else, rule for the life not the "e-" section only :)
>>>>
>>>> - What if someone successfully hacked an internet banking server?
>>>> - What if someone successfully rubbed the central bank that holds your
>>>> money and the money was bankrupted?
>>>>
>>>> See, it's a life-related rule, has nothing to do with Closed/Open
>>>> companies ;-)
>>>>
>>>> -- Amahdy AbdElAziz
>>>> <http://www.amahdy.net>http://www.amahdy.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 19:09, Processing Qbits <<processingqbits at gmail.com>
>>>> processingqbits at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ah, unfortunately, my good fellow, your view of the electronic world
>>>>> seems very constricted.
>>>>>
>>>>> "You shouldn't do something secret over the web"....
>>>>> So you're against e-businesses including all forms of online
>>>>> transactions and ebanking, you're against confidential emails? Aren't all
>>>>> these forms of secrets to be kept hidden?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sorry, but this is not a strong argument for you at all, it's true
>>>>> that if one wants to keep a secret online, it might be very hard and at
>>>>> times close to impossible, but to not even try?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Amahdy AbdElAziz < <amahdy7 at gmail.com>
>>>>> amahdy7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have many examples on why you shouldn't do something secret* over
>>>>>> the web*, even if you are using Open Source software built by you!
>>>>>> Here is some of them:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) You are sending and email to a close friend with sensitive
>>>>>> information along with general information, he accidentally publicly share
>>>>>> the email.
>>>>>> [[For example you send some love words to your fiancée and a picture
>>>>>> of a flower, she liked that flower that she shared the email over Facebook,,
>>>>>> so embarrassing]]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) You send an email to seomone "A" and BCC someone else "B", "B"
>>>>>> replies to all...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3) You are sending sensitive information over chat, and due to some
>>>>>> bug, the information is sent to someone else!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4) You are storing your secrets on your own server and it got hacked!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 5) You decided to encrypt your own secret data and store them on the
>>>>>> server, someone was able to predict your password after hacking your server
>>>>>> (happens)...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Amahdy AbdElAziz
>>>>>> <http://www.amahdy.net>http://www.amahdy.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 18:46, Amahdy AbdElAziz < <amahdy7 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> amahdy7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Okay so are you afraid from having someone tracking you or keeping a
>>>>>>> log of what you are doing? why should you be afraid from that, are you doing
>>>>>>> something wrong? if you don't want someone know what you are doing then IMHO
>>>>>>> you shouldn't be doing it from the beginning, specially, over the web!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you want to use a Canonical-hosted mail server instead of
>>>>>>> Google-hosted one, so how can you guarantee that Canonical won't one day
>>>>>>> keep log of your emails, not all of us can buy and configure his own mail
>>>>>>> server, and if it's not a physical server at your home (e.g. you have your
>>>>>>> own server managed by some hosting company) then you can't guarantee that
>>>>>>> this hosting company is not spying on you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So again if you are doing something wrong then stop doing it, I don't
>>>>>>> mean any of you is doing something wrong, but I'm just explaining my
>>>>>>> point...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We all need all the time someone to manage some parts of our life, we
>>>>>>> can't do everything all the time, so we need to relay on someone to do that
>>>>>>> for us, for example I can't pen trace all the Ubuntu code to make sure that
>>>>>>> there isn't a back door somewhere, so I have to relay on some others who did
>>>>>>> so (who knows maybe they are paid to stay calm?? ,, I don't care, simply
>>>>>>> because all what I'm doing on my laptop is open to everybody, I have no
>>>>>>> problem on that).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like Google -for now- because they believe in the Open Source, they
>>>>>>> started many many many Open Source projects along with their patches for
>>>>>>> Open Source projects like the Linux Kernel, the Ubuntu project itself, and
>>>>>>> many other small and big projects (Eclipse, Apache, Mozilla, KDE, Gnome,
>>>>>>> Drupal, and many much more) [[Yes they are still submitting patches for
>>>>>>> Firefox too!]]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also like the data liberation concept that Google has, the data
>>>>>>> ownership to the user, but I also agree at the end of the day that we should
>>>>>>> be cautious, if we don't like something then we can simply raise our hands
>>>>>>> and let them know and it's proven that they respond (so far).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personly, I completely understand that any company needs "Money" to
>>>>>>> survive and continue innovation, so I don't mind that Google collect some
>>>>>>> bucks from here and there so that they can deliver the quality that I want.
>>>>>>> They actually helped me a lot with this new product G+, so that I'm finally
>>>>>>> able to have a e-social life.
>>>>>>> BTW, this applied also for SUN, and currently apply also for IBM,
>>>>>>> RedHat, FixedSolutions, and many similar Companies that believe and
>>>>>>> encourage the OpenSource and need to collect some bucks at the same time!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry for the long email, but I'd like also to mention one small
>>>>>>> experience:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - I like the fact that when I post something "Public" at G+,
>>>>>>> everybody that uses Internet can see it, event if he doesn't have a Gmail
>>>>>>> account. But something like Facebook won't show more than my profile
>>>>>>> picture, some of my interests, and a box asking to Sign Up first! (Hey, it's
>>>>>>> my data that I want to share with everybody, not yours to block it from
>>>>>>> people!!)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- Amahdy AbdElAziz
>>>>>>> <http://www.amahdy.net>http://www.amahdy.net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 16:04, Haitham El-Ghareeb <<helghareeb at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> helghareeb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Checking, Thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1 Jul 2011, at 05:51 PM, Processing Qbits <<processingqbits at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> processingqbits at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are a lot that we can do....Don't keep all your eggs in one
>>>>>>>> basket...And there is no need to actually put all the eggs in baskets, some
>>>>>>>> eggs are better kept in the nest
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Haitham El-Ghareeb <<helghareeb at gmail.com><helghareeb at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> helghareeb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and there is nothing we can do, right? I wish I can stay away from
>>>>>>>>> facebook, Google +, or twitter but I can't. All my friends, students, and
>>>>>>>>> social life is there now. Just feeling so confused about that. Wanted to
>>>>>>>>> share it here :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 1 Jul 2011, at 05:39 PM, "Jonathan N. Hindi" <<jonathan.hindi at gmail.com><jonathan.hindi at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> jonathan.hindi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> +Islam Hassan, You are very right :)
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Thanks & Regards,
>>>>>>>>> *Jonathan N. Hindi
>>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2011/7/1 Islam Hassan < <eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com><eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com><eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You forgot to mention the most two scary things about Google:
>>>>>>>>>> First, Google Chrome OS depends completely on the cloud, that means every
>>>>>>>>>> thing related to you is on Google servers. Second Google Android @ home &
>>>>>>>>>> Google Android Open Accessory, Google will control every thing in your
>>>>>>>>>> house. After watching Google IO day one keynote, what I had in mind was
>>>>>>>>>> Umbrella from resident evil and USR's VIKI from I,Robot.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Online Meeting
>>>>>>>>>> From: <helghareeb at gmail.com> <helghareeb at gmail.com><helghareeb at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> helghareeb at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 16:29:11 +0300
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To: <ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com> <ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com><ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>>>> ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> @Ahmed Toulan +1
>>>>>>>>>> Yes this is what I meant, and sorry for the late reply. We are
>>>>>>>>>> gathering to show the evilness of one vendor, that is Microsoft, and there
>>>>>>>>>> is another one 'Google' is trying hardly to catch everywhere it can, OS,
>>>>>>>>>> Mail, Social Media, Web browser, everywhere. That can't be right !!! It's
>>>>>>>>>> like I'm surrounded with Google everywhere, till now no one has anything
>>>>>>>>>> against Google, just I'm so worried that we are being caught.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Jul 2011, at 05:10 PM, Processing Qbits <<processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> processingqbits at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's why I believe more in Diaspora
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Ahmed Kamal <<email.ahmedkamal at googlemail.com><email.ahmedkamal at googlemail.com><email.ahmedkamal at googlemail.com><email.ahmedkamal at googlemail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> email.ahmedkamal at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> um but "Google lets you save a backup of your photos, profile
>>>>>>>>>> information, contacts, circles, stream posts, and Buzz posts to your
>>>>>>>>>> computer" on <https://plus.google.com/u/0/settings/exportdata><https://plus.google.com/u/0/settings/exportdata><https://plus.google.com/u/0/settings/exportdata><https://plus.google.com/u/0/settings/exportdata>
>>>>>>>>>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/settings/exportdata doesn't sound too
>>>>>>>>>> bad
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Ahmed Toulan <<thelinuxer at ubuntu.com><thelinuxer at ubuntu.com><thelinuxer at ubuntu.com><thelinuxer at ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>>>> thelinuxer at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well I think what he meant was that we are doing a different kind
>>>>>>>>>> of vendor locking badro. Like you were locked to the windows platform one
>>>>>>>>>> day, today you'll be locked inside the Google platform. And this is a real
>>>>>>>>>> serious issue if you ask me, a real valid concern...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Processing Qbits <<processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> processingqbits at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I didn't get that, would you be so kind as to elaborate more?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Haitham El-Ghareeb <<helghareeb at gmail.com><helghareeb at gmail.com><helghareeb at gmail.com><helghareeb at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> helghareeb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lets hope not, I'm completely disappointed with this product, not
>>>>>>>>>> from features side, but from the Open Web side, it's really getting serious
>>>>>>>>>> that we are moving from a single Microsoft, to plenty of it!!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Jul 2011, at 03:13 PM, Processing Qbits <<processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> processingqbits at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Google is putting up a strong fight against facebook...Diaspora
>>>>>>>>>> and Google+
>>>>>>>>>> I actually have more faith in Diaspora, although it seems that
>>>>>>>>>> Google+ will be ready before it
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2011/7/1 Islam Hassan < <eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com><eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com><eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com><eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com><eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Right now many of us don't have access to google+, but it's gonna
>>>>>>>>>> be awesome to use it when it goes public.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 14:44:06 +0300
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Online Meeting
>>>>>>>>>> From: <thelinuxer at ubuntu.com> <thelinuxer at ubuntu.com><thelinuxer at ubuntu.com><thelinuxer at ubuntu.com><thelinuxer at ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>>>> thelinuxer at ubuntu.com
>>>>>>>>>> To: <ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com> <ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com><ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com><ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com><ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>>>> ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Personally I think we might use it in the future
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Processing Qbits <<processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> processingqbits at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't have access to Google+ too...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Mohamed El-Feky <<elfeky.m at gmail.com><elfeky.m at gmail.com><elfeky.m at gmail.com><elfeky.m at gmail.com><elfeky.m at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> elfeky.m at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> +1 for me
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Jonathan N. Hindi <<jonathan.hindi at gmail.com><jonathan.hindi at gmail.com><jonathan.hindi at gmail.com><jonathan.hindi at gmail.com><jonathan.hindi at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> jonathan.hindi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't think that all the team have access to Google+ ?
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks & Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> *Jonathan N. Hindi
>>>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Karim Ahmed <<just.azzurri at gmail.com><just.azzurri at gmail.com><just.azzurri at gmail.com><just.azzurri at gmail.com><just.azzurri at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> just.azzurri at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think it's a good idea if we organize Online Meeting at Google+
>>>>>>>>>> via Hangouts :)
>>>>>>>>>> so what's your opinions?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Karim Ahmed,*
>>>>>>>>>> *Google **student ambassador *
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