[ec2-beta] ec2-attach-volume?

Jason jm at onisland.ca
Tue Mar 31 04:27:33 BST 2009


Agreed, I was able to to everything I needed via the AWS web console and 
keep the install relatively clean.

Thanks all.
-J

John Hampton wrote:
> +1 on not installing the ami tools. I'd rather have a bare instance and 
> let me configure it the way that I want. 
> 
> JH
> 
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Eric Hammond <ehammond at thinksome.com 
> <mailto:ehammond at thinksome.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
>     There are also some good reasons *not* to install the ec2-api-tools by
>     default.
> 
>     It looks to me like it will add over 150 MB to the disk footprint of the
>     AMI.  This will increase the load time of the image from S3, increasing
>     instance startup time on EC2.
> 
>     In my experience and testing, the size of the image is the primary
>     factor in determining instance startup time (though Amazon's image
>     caching can also have an effect in some cases).
> 
>     The API tools require Java, so that would need to be installed on the
>     image.  I'm not sure everybody will want the same version of Java
>     installed on their instances.
> 
>     Based on the last time I tested them (months ago), the API tools require
>     Sun's version of Java.   In order for this to be installed, you must
>     accept Sun's license.  I was not comfortable doing that when building
>     public EC2 images as I would, in theory, be accepting the license for
>     every person who runs those images or be forced to have them accept the
>     license before running it.
> 
>     Since we don't know many folks are going to want to use the API tools on
>     their EC2 instances (rare in my case), I think the above negatives
>     outweigh the benefits.
> 
>     My belief is that the server image should be as minimal as possible, not
>     providing lots of extra tools just in case folks need them, especially
>     since many EC2 use cases require running lots of instances where startup
>     time matters.
> 
>     I do vote for making it easy to install the API tools on an Ubuntu
>     instance for folks who want to do this.  It sounds like progress is
>     being made in that direction.
> 
>     --
>     Eric Hammond
>     ehammond at thinksome.com <mailto:ehammond at thinksome.com>
> 
> 
> 
>     Chuck Short wrote:
>      > Yes there is a good case to install the ec2-api-tools by default.
>     Amazon
>      > has recently updated the license so we can distribute it the
>     archive. I
>      > have already packaged it for ubuntu and it will be included in
>     the next
>      > beta.
>      >
>      >
>      > chuck
>      >
>      > Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
>      >> Eric Hammond wrote:
>      >>> The official Ubuntu beta2 images for EC2 have the EC2 AMI
>     command line
>      >>> tools installed, but not the EC2 API command line tools.
>      >>>
>      >>> ec2-attach-volume is part of the API tools, so you would need
>     to install
>      >>> them if you want to use this command on the EC2 instance.
>      >>>
>      >> Is there a good case for having the API tools installed by default?
>      >>
>      >> Mark
>      >
>      >
> 
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