I made some edits to the accouncement. Inserted serial/series commas where needed; made the spacing after periods consistent (sometimes it was 2 spaces, sometimes 1...I made them all 1); removed a duplicate phrase about selecting the mirror closest to you to DL the image. Great work on this announcement overall. Makes me even more excited to upgrade! <div>On 10/10/07, <a href="mailto:ubuntu-doc-request@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-doc-request@lists.ubuntu.com </a> <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-doc-request@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-doc-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Send ubuntu-doc mailing list submissions to <a href="mailto:ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com</a> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc"> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc</a> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to <a href="mailto:ubuntu-doc-request@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-doc-request@lists.ubuntu.com </a> You can reach the person managing the list at <a href="mailto:ubuntu-doc-owner@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-doc-owner@lists.ubuntu.com</a> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-doc digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: request for review: Gutsy release candidate announcement (Eero Salokannel) 2. xml to pdf - potential replacement technology? (Matthew East) 3. Re: request for review: Gutsy release candidate announcement (Neal McBurnett) 4. Re: xml to pdf - potential replacement technology? (Jordan Mantha) 5. [patch] Fix for typo in switching + minor rewrite (Mads Peter Rommedahl) 6. Re: xml to pdf - potential replacement technology? (Dougie Richardson) 7. Re: request for review: Gutsy release candidate announcement (Steve Langasek) 8. Re: request for review: Gutsy release candidate announcement (Steve Langasek) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:31:19 +0300 From: Eero Salokannel <<a href="mailto:eero.salokannel@gmail.com">eero.salokannel@gmail.com</a>> Subject: Re: request for review: Gutsy release candidate announcement To: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com"> ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Cc: <a href="mailto:steve.langasek@canonical.com">steve.langasek@canonical.com</a> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:470CC617.5010100@gmail.com">470CC617.5010100@gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I can agree with mr Zimmerman, those are good ideas. I already set the headings to 3rd level to make it easier to read, but it might look a bit better if the thick lines were removed and the headings were set to 2nd level instead of 3rd...? (2nd level gives a thin brown line) Matt Zimmerman kirjoitti: > I think we should move "About Ubuntu" lower on the page, and "About the > release candidate" higher. Similarly, download and upgrade information > should be more prominent than general info (perhaps immediately after the > highlights?). > > More Info and About Ubuntu can probably be merged into one section. > > On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 12:42:51AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: >> Hi again, >> >> We're on from the beta to the release candidate, so I need your help once >> more in reviewing the draft of the release announcement. The draft can be >> found here: >> >> <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/RCAnnouncement">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/RCAnnouncement</a> >> >> Much of this text has been copied wholesale from the beta announcement and >> will look familiar, but perhaps I've overlooked some important new >> information or introduced some errors along the way. >> >> There was also a discussion on this list after the beta about boot time >> improvements, but I don't think that resulted in any concrete numbers and >> the thread seems to have petered out. If there really are widespread boot >> speed improvements since Feisty that would be great to mention, but we'd >> need to demonstrate this first. >> >> Please feel free to edit the wiki page directly if corrections are needed, >> or if you have points that need discussion please Cc: me on any replies. >> >> Thanks in advance for your help! >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - <a href="http://enigmail.mozdev.org"> http://enigmail.mozdev.org</a> iD8DBQFHDMYX3QBdhS+nXxIRAn1IAJ9+zs7IHLlG+uDwJGAmD8WmKCRNGwCgoR0o JlJ/sXQnJFzQ+A/Zb2v8jOA= =z9eL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:23:09 +0100 From: "Matthew East" <<a href="mailto:matt@mdke.org">matt@mdke.org</a>> Subject: xml to pdf - potential replacement technology? To: "Ubuntu Doc Team" < <a href="mailto:ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:3bd91160710100623l3650b341q7f3ad75733c1c481@mail.gmail.com">3bd91160710100623l3650b341q7f3ad75733c1c481@mail.gmail.com </a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, Just read this: <a href="http://times.usefulinc.com/2007/10/10-prince">http://times.usefulinc.com/2007/10/10-prince</a> Seems to be free as in beer, although not as in speech. Does anyone want to check this out? Could we consider a non-libre technology for producing pdfs, if it happened to be easier than our current (totally screwy) solutions? -- Matthew East <a href="http://www.mdke.org"> http://www.mdke.org</a> gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:24:12 -0600 From: Neal McBurnett <<a href="mailto:neal@bcn.boulder.co.us"> neal@bcn.boulder.co.us</a>> Subject: Re: request for review: Gutsy release candidate announcement To: Steve Langasek <<a href="mailto:steve.langasek@canonical.com">steve.langasek@canonical.com</a>> Cc: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com"> ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com</a>, Matt Zimmerman <<a href="mailto:mdz@ubuntu.com">mdz@ubuntu.com</a>> Message-ID: <20071010142412.GL18321@feynman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I would suggest talking some more about bittorrent. You encourage people to use it, but without motivation. Overloaded download sites is a big source of frustration and barrier to some users. So I suggest incorporating some of the language at <a href="https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BitTorrent"> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BitTorrent</a> about how much faster your experience will be, and perhaps how much you can help your friends out if you keep your torrent running a while as a seed. Also, I suggest getting this bug fixed so the release pages make it easier for people to find the torrents (and we stop pointing to an advertising site for commercial movie downloads....) <a href="https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/146514">https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/146514 </a> Cheers, Neal McBurnett <a href="http://mcburnett.org/neal/">http://mcburnett.org/neal/</a> On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 12:42:51AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > Hi again, > > We're on from the beta to the release candidate, so I need your help once > more in reviewing the draft of the release announcement. The draft can be > found here: > > <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/RCAnnouncement"> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/RCAnnouncement</a> > > Much of this text has been copied wholesale from the beta announcement and > will look familiar, but perhaps I've overlooked some important new > information or introduced some errors along the way. > > There was also a discussion on this list after the beta about boot time > improvements, but I don't think that resulted in any concrete numbers and > the thread seems to have petered out. If there really are widespread boot > speed improvements since Feisty that would be great to mention, but we'd > need to demonstrate this first. > > Please feel free to edit the wiki page directly if corrections are needed, > or if you have points that need discussion please Cc: me on any replies. > > Thanks in advance for your help! > > -- > ubuntu-doc mailing list > <a href="mailto:ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com"> ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com</a> > <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc</a> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:52:58 -0700 From: "Jordan Mantha" <<a href="mailto:mantha@ubuntu.com">mantha@ubuntu.com</a>> Subject: Re: xml to pdf - potential replacement technology? To: "Ubuntu Doc Team" < <a href="mailto:ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:82926f0e0710100952i6dac4e93s4273fa9fd8c53a22@mail.gmail.com">82926f0e0710100952i6dac4e93s4273fa9fd8c53a22@mail.gmail.com </a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 10/10/07, Matthew East <<a href="mailto:matt@mdke.org">matt@mdke.org</a>> wrote: > Hi, > > Just read this: <a href="http://times.usefulinc.com/2007/10/10-prince"> http://times.usefulinc.com/2007/10/10-prince</a> > > Seems to be free as in beer, although not as in speech. Does anyone > want to check this out? That sounds very nice. I'm not sure how "free as in beer" it is though. It is only free for individual, interactive use. I assume if we each had a copy and ran it on our computers it would count, but we couldn't put it on any servers or anything like that apparently. > Could we consider a non-libre technology for producing pdfs, if it > happened to be easier than our current (totally screwy) solutions? I think definitely yes. The fact that we use Launchpad is already one way we are doing this. I think it's worth it for us to get good-quality PDFs even if it's not a FLOSS solution for now. I think it's also more important that we have a solution that we can actually use. If we have to go through all kinds of acrobatics to spit out a pdf then nobody is going to want to do it. -Jordan ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:37:36 +0200 From: "Mads Peter Rommedahl" <<a href="mailto:lhademmor@gmail.com">lhademmor@gmail.com</a>> Subject: [patch] Fix for typo in switching + minor rewrite To: ubuntu-doc <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com"> ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:d65b68da0710101037x21ca9e3cr6cac85efeebef0f8@mail.gmail.com">d65b68da0710101037x21ca9e3cr6cac85efeebef0f8@mail.gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mads Peter Rommedahl <<a href="mailto:lhademmor@gmail.com">lhademmor@gmail.com</a>> Date: 09/10/2007 20.52 Subject: Re: Fix for typo in switching + minor rewrite To: <a href="mailto:philbull@gmail.com">philbull@gmail.com</a> Hi, I have no idea what to do with this, so I just send it to you: I found a typo in the help-document about Ubuntu equivalents to Windows programs, and while fixing that, I took the liberty of rewriting some other portions of the page. Can you comment on my efforts, please? :) 2007/10/9, Phil Bull <<a href="mailto:philbull@gmail.com">philbull@gmail.com</a>>: > > Hi Mads, > > On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 17:13 +0200, Mads Peter Rommedahl wrote: > > Hi, I have no idea what to do with this, so I just send it to you: > > I found a typo in the help-document about Ubuntu equivalents to > > Windows programs, and while fixing that, I took the liberty of > > rewriting some other portions of the page. > > > > Can you comment on my efforts, please? :) > > Also, do you know what happened to the patch-mail that I sent to > > ubuntu-doc-mailing list? > > Nice work on finding this one, and thanks for the patch! Could you make > a small correction to it, please? "Calender" should be spelt "calendar". > Also, I'm unsure about the second part of the patch where it says "and > much more". This doesn't really give the user any extra information, so > could probably be removed. > > I've just applied the patch that you sent to ubuntu-doc. Normally you > need to wait a week or so for your patch to get reviewed if you send it > to the mailing list - most of us are really busy, so can't respond > immediately. The only reason I can review so fast at the moment is > because I have a bit of spare time that I'm reserving for mentoring > students... > > Thanks, > > Phil > > -- > Phil Bull > <a href="http://www.launchpad.net/people/philbull">http://www.launchpad.net/people/philbull</a> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/attachments/20071010/19ae0562/attachment-0001.htm">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/attachments/20071010/19ae0562/attachment-0001.htm </a> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: misc.diff Type: text/x-patch Size: 2149 bytes Desc: not available Url : <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/attachments/20071010/19ae0562/attachment-0001.bin"> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/attachments/20071010/19ae0562/attachment-0001.bin</a> ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 19:37:20 +0100 From: "Dougie Richardson" < <a href="mailto:ddrichardson@btinternet.com">ddrichardson@btinternet.com</a>> Subject: Re: xml to pdf - potential replacement technology? To: "Matthew East" <<a href="mailto:matt@mdke.org">matt@mdke.org </a>> Cc: Ubuntu Doc Team <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Message-ID: <A08DFF06F4BB40C7A5918EAD273CA55F@HPTX1000> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Matt, I'll check this out if its OK with everyone - especially apt given the work I've just done for the Desktop Training. I've got to admit that the current conversion tools are terrible, dblatex does a good job but customization is severely limited. Apache FOP is quite flexible in this respect but is very tempremental and has difficulty with links and indexs. Cheers, Dougie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew East" <<a href="mailto:matt@mdke.org">matt@mdke.org</a>> To: "Ubuntu Doc Team" <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:23 PM Subject: xml to pdf - potential replacement technology? > Hi, > > Just read this: <a href="http://times.usefulinc.com/2007/10/10-prince">http://times.usefulinc.com/2007/10/10-prince</a> > > Seems to be free as in beer, although not as in speech. Does anyone > want to check this out? > > Could we consider a non-libre technology for producing pdfs, if it > happened to be easier than our current (totally screwy) solutions? > > -- > Matthew East > <a href="http://www.mdke.org">http://www.mdke.org</a> > gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF > > -- > ubuntu-doc mailing list > <a href="mailto:ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com"> ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com</a> > <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc</a> > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1060 - Release Date: > 09/10/2007 16:43 > > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:49:16 -0700 From: Steve Langasek <<a href="mailto:steve.langasek@canonical.com">steve.langasek@canonical.com</a>> Subject: Re: request for review: Gutsy release candidate announcement To: Eero Salokannel <<a href="mailto:eero.salokannel@gmail.com">eero.salokannel@gmail.com</a>> Cc: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:20071010214916.GG3569@dario.dodds.net"> 20071010214916.GG3569@dario.dodds.net</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Eero, On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 03:31:19PM +0300, Eero Salokannel wrote: > I can agree with mr Zimmerman, those are good ideas. I already set the > headings to 3rd level to make it easier to read, but it might look a bit > better if the thick lines were removed and the headings were set to 2nd > level instead of 3rd...? (2nd level gives a thin brown line) Sorry, this announcement is being sent as plain text, not as wiki markup; so what's relevant is how the raw text looks, not how it renders in the wiki. (I'm sure there's some option to turn off rendering of the document, but I didn't take the time to figure out how to do this before requesting feedback.) So I've reverted these changes to the highlighting as we really want the headers to line up with the raw text lines underneath. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:24:10 -0700 From: Steve Langasek <<a href="mailto:steve.langasek@canonical.com">steve.langasek@canonical.com</a>> Subject: Re: request for review: Gutsy release candidate announcement To: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:20071010222410.GH3569@dario.dodds.net">20071010222410.GH3569@dario.dodds.net</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 11:23:17AM +0100, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > I think we should move "About Ubuntu" lower on the page, and "About the > release candidate" higher. Similarly, download and upgrade information > should be more prominent than general info (perhaps immediately after the > highlights?). > More Info and About Ubuntu can probably be merged into one section. Agreed on all of these. Please review my changes, I don't know if I've moved the "About the release candidate" section too high now? > On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 12:42:51AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > Hi again, > > > > We're on from the beta to the release candidate, so I need your help once > > more in reviewing the draft of the release announcement. The draft can be > > found here: > > > > <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/RCAnnouncement">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/RCAnnouncement </a> > > > > Much of this text has been copied wholesale from the beta announcement and > > will look familiar, but perhaps I've overlooked some important new > > information or introduced some errors along the way. > > > > There was also a discussion on this list after the beta about boot time > > improvements, but I don't think that resulted in any concrete numbers and > > the thread seems to have petered out. If there really are widespread boot > > speed improvements since Feisty that would be great to mention, but we'd > > need to demonstrate this first. > > > > Please feel free to edit the wiki page directly if corrections are needed, > > or if you have points that need discussion please Cc: me on any replies. > > > > Thanks in advance for your help! ------------------------------ -- ubuntu-doc mailing list <a href="mailto:ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc</a> End of ubuntu-doc Digest, Vol 37, Issue 15 ****************************************** </blockquote></div>