Suggestion

Sat Sep 14 21:15:21 UTC 2013

Indeed!

the people I know who do major wiki editing / page creation etc. have their
sandbox areas. This removes the worry of having a 'live' page in a state of
"Work in Progress" :)

Regards,

Phill.

On 14 September 2013 21:58, Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi :)
> I think this list might help with bits&bobs but i'm not sure if there is
> any better training than just experimenting a bit and then seeing how other
> people have done things on other pages.  Keep it simple and just add 1 new
> at a time.  Much the same as your 1st paragraph really.
>
> It's quite handy that there is a "preview" button so you can test-out
> ideas.  Also you can create a test-page for your own experiments.  Some
> people have done such pages as an extension of their profile page, either a
> more detailed biography or as a mini-blog or something while others have
> just done a few little paragraphs and odd things just as purely
> experimentation.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
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>  *From:* John Kim <johnkim.ubuntu at gmail.com>
> *To:* Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk>; Ubuntu Doc <
> ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, 14 September 2013, 21:22
> *Subject:* Re: Suggestion
>
> Hey Tom,
>
> Regarding your first of the two rants, it's a matter of initiative and
> throwing themselves out there. Making mistakes is the way to learn, as I
> have figured.
>
> For the second one, as for me, I would love to learn coding and markup for
> docbook and wiki, but I haven't really found the appropriate training or
> mentorship yet. The experienced ones usually take care of that, when they
> are active, of course. I only wish they could make their expertise
> available and open opportunities for such technical tasks.
>
> Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk>이 씀:
>
> Hi :)
> I tend to think it's harder to post a bug-report than to edit the page,
> such as to leave a note at the end of the page or just after the bit that
> didn't work.
>
> However i am beginning to believe what Jonathon just pointed out.  I think
> perhaps 2 main reason but probably others too;
> 1.  even a lot of trained documenters can't cope with coding, even
> wiki-markup is scary to a lot of folks
> 2.  people are too shy and worry about messing things up if they type in a
> couple of words into a page
> < off-topic rant>
> Perhaps feeling they have to be submissive to some higher authority or
> something.  It drives me nuts.  I'd hoped it was just in my country but i'm
> beginning to think even people in democracies (if there are any) bow to
> their 'superiors'.
> </ off-topic rant>
>
> <new rant>
> It's as though people have never heard of or used wikipedia or wiki's, as
> though they are all tooo new despite having been around since the last
> century.
> </ new rant>
>
> Anyway, the point is that these tags clearly come from a higher authority
> than an average user so they will give sheeple and normal users much
> greater confidence in the pages that are not tagged as being for
> unsupported versions.  It will also give normal users the correct
> impression, that they can complain to the higher authority and it
> encourages them to find one of the many ways they could do so.  So it
> benefits 2 groups we need to reach without harming those that already "get
> it".
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
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>  *From:* Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
> *To:* Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk>
> *Cc:* Phill Whiteside <phillw at vpolink.com>; Ubuntu Doc <
> ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, 13 September 2013, 21:20
> *Subject:* Re: Suggestion
>
> the way things are now you have to work with trial by error with the
> current state of the docs. At least like this me as an end user can file a
> bug against the docs team for a particular page if they notice hey this
> version doesn't work with the current release can you update it please.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
>
> Hi :)
> Yes, everyone sees tags.
>
> I think both ideas have merit.  I kinda wish the tag said
> *Unsupported Version:* This article appears to apply to unsupported
> versions of Ubuntu.
> or something else less definite that the way it is set at the moment.
>
> If something definitely only applies to unsupported versions then it
> should definitely be removed but i think there are a lot of pages where
> it's unclear or where just a bit of updating or pruning large chunks out
> might fix the page.  However, even so, i think it would be good to use the
> tag as it is to see if it helps shake things up a bit.
>
> I also quite like Jonathon's idea of listing some of the versions the page
> is known to work with.  I think there are dangers with it but even so it's
> worth considering imo.
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>   ------------------------------
>  *From:* Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
> *To:* Phill Whiteside <phillw at vpolink.com>
> *Cc:* Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk>; Ubuntu Doc <
> ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, 13 September 2013, 21:05
> *Subject:* Re: Suggestion
>
> will tags show up to those that visit the page? like me a reader and user
> of the wiki would it show the tags?
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Phill Whiteside <phillw at vpolink.com>wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> having just had a new tag [1] added maybe we can use these?
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
> 1. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag
>
>
> On 13 September 2013 20:06, Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> maybe so but it will give users a heads up hey maybe the doc team should
> be informed this page doesnt support the release that i am on
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
>
> Hi :)
> I think we need to be wary of that sort of thing.  It can make a page
> appear outdated even if it's contents are still valid and just means people
> have to take care to edit every single page even if it's only for that 1
> thing.
>
> It has always been my worry that it's the only reason some of our current
> pages have a bad reputation for being old.  The advice might still be solid
> but the version numbers are so out of date that the page is in danger of
> getting deleted and the wisdom or cunning lost.  Since the move to Unity
> that has been a lot less of an issue and i am beginning to agree it would
> be good to just wipe out a large number of pages, or at least stop them
> from being publicly accessible, but probably just deleting would be best.
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
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>  *From:* Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
> *To:* Ubuntu Doc <ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, 13 September 2013, 19:12
> *Subject:* Suggestion
>
> Is it possible to put on the page a list of versions that the steps to
> setup something applies to that way if and when somethign changes then we
> know that hey these documents need to be updated to include said stuff for
> this particular version.
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