Suggestion

Sat Sep 14 20:22:11 UTC 2013

Hey Tom, 

Regarding your first of the two rants, it's a matter of initiative and throwing themselves out there. Making mistakes is the way to learn, as I have figured. 

For the second one, as for me, I would love to learn coding and markup for docbook and wiki, but I haven't really found the appropriate training or mentorship yet. The experienced ones usually take care of that, when they are active, of course. I only wish they could make their expertise available and open opportunities for such technical tasks. 

Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk>이 씀:
>Hi :)
>I tend to think it's harder to post a bug-report than to edit the page,
>such as to leave a note at the end of the page or just after the bit
>that didn't work.  
>
>However i am beginning to believe what  Jonathon just pointed out.  I
>think perhaps 2 main reason but probably others too;
>1.   even a lot of trained documenters can't cope with coding, even
>wiki-markup is scary to a lot of folks
>
>2.   people are too shy and worry about messing things up if they type
>in a couple of words into a page
>< off-topic rant>
>
>Perhaps feeling they have to be submissive to some higher authority or
>something.  It drives me nuts.  I'd hoped it was just in my country but
>i'm beginning to think even people in democracies (if there are any)
>bow to their 'superiors'.
>
></ off-topic rant>
>
>
><new rant>
>
>It's as though people have never heard of or used wikipedia or wiki's,
>as though they are all tooo new despite having been around since the
>last century.  
>
></ new rant>
>
>Anyway, the point is that these tags clearly come from a higher
>authority than an average user so they will give sheeple and normal
>users much greater confidence in the pages that are not tagged as being
>for unsupported versions.  It will also give normal users the correct
>impression, that they can complain to the higher authority and it
>encourages them to find one of the many ways they could do so.  So it
>benefits 2 groups we need to reach without harming those that already
>"get it".    
>
>Regards from 
>
>Tom :)  
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
>To: Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk> 
>Cc: Phill Whiteside <phillw at vpolink.com>; Ubuntu Doc
><ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com> 
>Sent: Friday, 13 September 2013, 21:20
>Subject: Re: Suggestion
> 
>
>
>the way things are now you have to work with trial by error with the
>current state of the docs. At least like this me as an end user can
>file a bug against the docs team for a particular page if they notice
>hey this version doesn't work with the current release can you update
>it please.
>
>
>
>
>On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>Hi :)
>>Yes, everyone sees tags.  
>>
>>I think both ideas have merit.  I kinda wish the tag said 
>>Unsupported Version: This article appears to apply to unsupported
>versions of Ubuntu.
>>or something else less definite that the way it is set at the moment. 
>
>>
>>If something definitely only applies to unsupported versions then it
>should definitely be removed but i think there are a lot of pages where
>it's unclear or where just a bit of updating or pruning large chunks
>out might fix the page.  However, even so, i think it would be good to
>use the tag as it is to see if it helps shake things up a bit.  
>>
>>I also quite like Jonathon's idea of listing some of the versions the
>page is known to work with.  I think there are dangers with it but even
>so it's worth considering
> imo.  
>>
>>Regards from 
>>Tom :)  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>> From: Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
>>To: Phill Whiteside <phillw at vpolink.com> 
>>Cc: Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk>; Ubuntu Doc
><ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com> 
>>Sent: Friday, 13 September 2013, 21:05
>>Subject: Re: Suggestion
>> 
>>
>>
>>will tags show up to those that visit the page? like me a reader and
>user of the wiki would it show the tags?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Phill Whiteside <phillw at vpolink.com>
>wrote:
>>
>>Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>>having just had a new tag [1] added maybe we can use these? 
>>>
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>Phill.
>>>1. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On 13 September 2013 20:06, Jonathan Aquilina
><eagles051387 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>maybe so but it will give users a heads up hey maybe the doc team
>should be informed this page doesnt support the release that i am on
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Tom Davies
><tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hi :)
>>>>>I think we need to be wary of that sort of thing.  It can make a
>page appear outdated even if it's contents are still valid and just
>means people have to take care to edit every single page even if it's
>only for that 1 thing.  
>>>>>
>>>>>It has always been my worry that it's the only reason some of our
>current pages have a bad reputation for being old.  The advice might
>still be solid but the version numbers are so out of date that the page
>is in danger of getting deleted and the wisdom or cunning lost.  Since
>the move to Unity that has been a lot less of an issue and i am
>beginning to agree it would be good to just wipe out a large number of
>pages, or at least stop them from being publicly accessible, but
>probably just deleting would be best.  
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards from 
>>>>>Tom :)  
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>________________________________
>>>>> From: Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
>>>>>To: Ubuntu Doc <ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com> 
>>>>>Sent: Friday, 13 September 2013, 19:12
>>>>>Subject: Suggestion
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Is it possible to put on the page a list of versions that the steps
>to setup something applies to that way if and when somethign changes
>then we know that hey these documents need to be updated to include
>said stuff for this particular version.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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