Replace wiki.ubuntu.com with help.ubuntu.com/commmunity

[Marc Kaplan]

I have started wiki.ubuntu.com/Home/PageDiscussion to address the
concerns regarding the new home page and requesting feedback.

A link to the page discussion has been added to the bottom of the home
page requesting feedback.  After about, let's say a month, we revisit
this topic and make the necessary modifications.

Ok?

Marc K.


On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Dougie Richardson
<ddrichardson at btinternet.com> wrote:
> Marc,
>
> I think you're being too defensive about this, I can appreciate your PoV but
> I do think that Bryce has a valid point.
>
> I'm not objecting to the front page just stating that perhaps we could
> review our process. That being said, we're discussing your proposal to
> change the wiki/help pages around and I'm just applying the CoC - "When you
> disagree, consult others", three of us have voiced concerns.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dougie Richardson (dougie at lynxworks.eu), sent from my Aspire One - excuse
> the msipellings.
>
>
> ----- Original message -----
> Sent: 2008/11/05 11:58:26
> Subject: Re:Re: Replace wiki.ubuntu.com with help.ubuntu.com/commmunity
>
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 2:34 AM, Dougie Richardson
> wrote:
>> Hi Marc,
>>
>> Bryce has a valid point, since the wiki is team oriented, any changes to
>> the start page should perhaps be offered to a wider audience than our
>> mailing list and this is something to consider for the future. Not everyone
>> is subscribed to every page, especially when visiting other team's pages.
>>
>> Could a change like this be mentioned in a banner or such like on the
>> start page?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dougie
>>
>> I have as much authority as the Pope. I just don't have as many people who
>> believe it.
>>
>>
>> (George Carlin)
>
> Dougie,
>
> Yes, I do agree that a banner or comment on the actual home page
> itself might have been a good idea, and is certainly a good idea for
> future modifications
>
> I would like to point out to that I did send out the email listed here:
>
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2008-October/011886.html
>
> And that I sent a notification of this change to the various mailing lists.
>
> Should I have followed up to make sure that the message got through to
> the various recipients by checking on their archives? Yes.
>
> Might the contacting of the teams require me to sign up for every
> mailing list if the message gets rejected? I would ask why should a
> team say to contact them by mailing list if only to reject messages
> from non-mailing list members without any form of review (but that is
> a discussion for another time).
>
> Even if I put the change in bright, big neon colors that were flashing
> and said "This page is being considered for change" and I waited a
> month, there would still be people who would come out of the woodwork
> two/three/four months later saying, "What did you do to the Home
> Page?", etc.....
>
> To my knowledge, there is absolutely no way of contacting each and
> every member of every team. No "community-wide" mailing list. The
> closest thing I can think of, which I only recently discovered, and
> comes even remotely close, is Planet Ubuntu. But, even there, it is
> not a guarantee that everyone affected would see the communication.
>
> Please keep in mind that most people who are coming to the team wiki
> are already members of a Team and are going directly to their own
> team's home page. This Home Page was optimized for new visitors who
> have absolutely no idea where they are, or where to go, or stumble
> onto wiki.ubuntu.com when they really need help.ubuntu.com.
>
> The Team listings from the Home Page were moved to the page
> wiki.ubuntu.com/Teams to streamline the information and centralize
> them. The reactions I have been getting for that page from Team
> Leaders has been nothing short of rave reviews.
>
> The release schedule is maintained on its own page, so that was a
> duplication.
>
> The same is true for the community information regarding the different
> councils as the official documentation was moved out of the wiki and
> is now maintained on the website.
>
> Is everyone going to be pleased? Unfortunately not and my getting
> defensive about this is not going to that. Please know that I am open
> to listening to comments and criticisms, as well as explore new ideas
> and compromises.
>
> Perhaps we need to come up with an SOP for changing the Home Page to
> prevent this from reoccurring, and display it prominently on the page
> to prevent this in the future. But, then....who makes that SOP? How
> would a community-wide vote like that take place? Maybe the Home Page
> should be set so that only Administrators and/or Team Leaders can make
> the changes to it. Again, these are good ideas, but who makes the
> final determination? Is this something to be offered up to the
> Leadership Council?
>
> I'm open to suggestions.
>
> Marc K.