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    If you are in doubt for any reason, this is where you need to work
    with a lawyer in your own jurisdiction to determine the legality.<br>
    <br>
    None of us are lawyers, so any advice we give should be taken with a
    grain of salt.  I don't think VMware will come after you though for
    using it to test Ubuntu or Lubuntu.<br>
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    Thomas<br>
    (sent without my @ubuntu.com because GMail addresses are involved)<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/14/22 21:42, Aaron Rainbolt wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Thank you for taking the time to reply. This is
        sort of what I was thinking when I asked the question, but it's
        still close enough to a problem that I'm worried about it. In
        addition, I intend on using Ubuntu for commercial use in the
        not-too-distant future, so I'd rather not risk getting myself on
        the bad side of a multi-billion dollar company. For now, I have
        virt-manager, I can get Virtualbox (the open-source version, not
        with the proprietary add-on pack), I've got some good physical
        hardware, and you guys have VMware licenses for testing that
        part of things, so I think I'll just use what I've got for the
        time being, and possibly buy a VMware license at some point in
        the future.</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 11:21
          AM John Chittum <<a href="mailto:john.chittum@canonical.com" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">john.chittum@canonical.com</a>>
          wrote:<br>
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          <div dir="auto">Not a lawyer, so grain of salt.
            <div dir="auto"><br>
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            <div dir="auto">Ubuntu, the OS, is not a commercial product
              by itself. Ubuntu is offered as a free and open source OS.
              If you are testing non-commercial offerings of Ubuntu, as
              part of community work, then it should be fine to use
              VMWare Player, Virtualbox, or other items for
              non-commercial work. Community work is, by definition, not
              commercial. </div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
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            <div dir="auto">If you are working on a commercial product,
              for instance, testing Ubuntu Pro features offered by
              Canonical, or an appliance that will be sold to a
              customer, then you may be in violation. If you are an
              employee of Canonical employed to work on the OS, things
              get dicey _but_ there are options available (we have
              licenses available). Or if you are using it as part of
              your job (say, you're a sys admin, and part of your job is
              to vet Ubuntu, and you just happen to also contribute
              upstream when you find a bug). Then you should talk to
              your workplace about getting you a license. </div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
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            <div dir="auto">TL:DR if it's solely community work, it
              shouldn't be a breach. Other things would be case by
              case. </div>
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            <div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto">
              <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, May 14, 2022,
                10:50 Aaron Rainbolt <<a href="mailto:arraybolt3@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">arraybolt3@gmail.com</a>>
                wrote:<br>
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                <div dir="ltr">Thanks, that's what I needed to know!
                  Virt-manager is more than sufficient for my needs, and
                  I can always cough up the $150-$200 if I really want
                  to do VMware testing.
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                  <div>Thank you for your time and help!</div>
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                  <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, May 13, 2022
                    at 3:51 AM Shane O'Sullivan <<a href="mailto:hitsuji@tenmilesout.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">hitsuji@tenmilesout.net</a>>
                    wrote:<br>
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                    <div dir="auto">It's a breach of the EULA. I would
                      highly recommend installing virt-manager as a
                      suitable alternative.</div>
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                      <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri 13 May
                        2022, 08:17 Aaron Rainbolt, <<a href="mailto:arraybolt3@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">arraybolt3@gmail.com</a>>
                        wrote:<br>
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                        <div dir="ltr">I am digging deep into the world
                          of Ubuntu development and am trying to make
                          sure my alpha and beta testing is as
                          effective as possible. I also don't want to
                          cash out an arm and a leg for expensive
                          software to do so. I've been using
                          virt-manager (QEMU/KVM) for testing on virtual
                          machines, and while things seem to be going
                          well, I'd like to test on other hypervisors
                          too for the sake of catching as many bugs
                          as possible.
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                          <div>VMware provides their Workstation Player
                            product for free, <b>for non-commercial
                              use.</b> Problem is, I can't figure out if
                            using VMware for Ubuntu testing would be
                            considered commercial use. One one hand, I'm
                            not a Canonical employee, nor am I using
                            VMware for employment purposes, so that
                            would be non-commercial, but on the
                            other hand, I'm helping a large enterprise
                            build an OS that is used for
                            commercial purposes, so that seems like
                            commercial use.</div>
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                          <div>Do any of y'all do QA testing in the free
                            version of VMware Workstation Player? Does
                            anyone know if this is a legal use of
                            VMware?</div>
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                          <div>Thank you for your help and time.</div>
                          <div><br>
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                          <div>(Note: I <i>think</i> these kinds of
                            questions are what this mailing list is for,
                            but if I'm misguided and should have sent
                            this to ubuntu-devel-discuss, please let me
                            know and I'll direct these kinds of
                            questions there instead.)</div>
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