<div dir="ltr"><div id="gmail-magicdomid3" class="gmail-"><span class="gmail-author-g-ascc8lwc2hkelhim">Hello,</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid4" class="gmail-"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid1256" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44">L</span><span class="gmail-author-g-ascc8lwc2hkelhim">ess and less non-</span><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44">amd64</span><span class="gmail-author-g-ascc8lwc2hkelhim">-compatible i386 hardware </span><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44">is </span><span class="gmail-author-g-ascc8lwc2hkelhim">available
 for consumers to buy today from anything but computer part recycling 
centers. The last of these machines were manufactured over a decade ago,
 and support from a</span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">n</span><span class="gmail-author-g-ascc8lwc2hkelhim"> </span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">increasing number</span><span class="gmail-author-g-ascc8lwc2hkelhim"> of upstream projects has ended</span><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44">.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid298" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid53" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-g-ascc8lwc2hkelhim">Ubuntu
 and flavors just completed the 18.04 release cycle. This released 
version will either be supported until 2021 or 2023, depending on the 
product, team, and willingness to support it. At that point in time, the
 majority of these machines are approaching two decades old.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid375" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid423" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">>>Previous 2016 thread: And in 2018, the question will come if we can effectively provide security support on i386.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid1690" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">We
 can't.  Machines running i386 Ubuntu which are capable of running amd64
 Ubuntu are vulnerable to the critical Meltdown vulnerability <span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">where they wouldn't be if they were running amd64</span>. (Some 
actual i386 hardware simply isn't vulnerable, but some is).</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid8" class="gmail-"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid849" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">We
 still have a relatively high number if i386 downloads but that doesn't 
mean users machines are not capable of amd64. For the flavors remaining 
today on i386 here are</span><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44"> some i386 to amd64 </span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">ratios for 18.04</span><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44">:</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid769" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid854" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">Lubuntu cdimage</span><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44"> - </span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">0.87 </span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid855" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">Lubuntu tracker </span><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44">-</span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno"> 0.64</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid856" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">Lubuntu error (pcmanfm)</span><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44"> -</span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno"> 0.11</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid857" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">Xubuntu cdimage </span><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44">-</span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno"> 0.49</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid858" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">Xubuntu tracker </span><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44">- </span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno"> 0.30</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid859" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">Xubuntu error (thunar) </span><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44">-</span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno"> 0.10</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid860" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">Kylin tracker </span><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44">-</span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno"> 0.30</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid861" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">Kylin error (engrampa) </span><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44">-</span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno"> 0.10 </span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid862" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">Kubuntu cdimage </span><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44">-</span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno"> 0.14</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid863" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">Kubuntu tracker </span><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44">-</span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno"> 0.12</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid864" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">Kubuntu error (kinit) </span><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44">-</span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno"> 0.07</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid23" class="gmail-"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid1058" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44">The data retrieved from </span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">cdimage</span><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44"> </span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">is for a limited time period on May 7th. </span><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44">All </span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">cdimage</span><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44"> statistics included </span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">many hundreds to thousands of downloads </span><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44">(</span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">except Ubuntu </span><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44">Kylin </span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">due to it using it's own CDN, so not being included here)</span><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44">. The torrent </span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">tracker</span><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44"> results are available here:</span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno"> </span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno gmail-url"><a href="http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/">http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/</a></span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">. </span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid1189" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44">The </span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">error tracker</span><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44"> statistics come from</span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno"> compar</span><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44">ing</span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno"> top bug</span><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44">s</span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno"> shared between i386 and amd64 over last week</span><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44">. Bugs that affect multiple flavors are not included.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid1747" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">I</span><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44">t's not fully understood why there is a </span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">large discrepancy between the error tracker and other sources - but it's possible apport doesn't work as well in low memory.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid35" class="gmail-"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid1775" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-g-ascc8lwc2hkelhim">With
 Ubuntu MATE, Ubuntu Budgie, and Ubuntu Studio joining Ubuntu Desktop 
and Server in not offering i386 support in order to focus their efforts,</span><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44"> and these statistics in mind,</span><span class="gmail-author-g-ascc8lwc2hkelhim"> we</span><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44"> (flavors)</span><span class="gmail-author-g-ascc8lwc2hkelhim">
 should all join them. Now is the ideal time to do so, because it's 
before the Cosmic cycle is really under way, and if support were 
continued for i386, we don't want users to meet a dead end with respect 
to upgrade paths, and would support it until 20.04 (which means either 
five or seven more years of i386). Users still have the support cycle of
 18.04 to use their machines and get full support, so these machines 
will still be able to function. But with no new machines being 
manufactured, we have to deprecate support at </span><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44">some </span><span class="gmail-author-g-ascc8lwc2hkelhim">point</span><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44">.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid1059" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid1779" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">The first step would be to all agree on dropping images/installers but we should </span><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44">keep </span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">the end goal of dropping the port in mind ideally soon as well.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid1356" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid1780" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">On
 the list of known blockers for removing the i386 port are Steam and 
Wine. Solus' snapped Steam is progressing nicely and Steam deb is 
difficult to maintain as is</span><span class="gmail-author-g-iihjlvxu7dtkrw44"> </span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">[See removal bug]. That leaves coming up with a good way forward for Wine.</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid1281" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid1781" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">Thanks!</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid1663" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">Simon Quigley</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid1782" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">Bryan Quigley</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid1260" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid1792" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">[2016 email thread] </span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno gmail-url"><a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-June/039420.html">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-June/039420.html</a></span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">  (was Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386)</span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid1611" class="gmail-ace-line"><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno">[removal bug] </span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno gmail-url"><a href="https://pad.lv/1759715">https://pad.lv/1759715</a></span><span class="gmail-author-g-bbfn0sg2wav4rgno"> </span></div><div id="gmail-magicdomid1608" class="gmail-ace-line"><br></div><br></div>