On May 3, 2011 5:54 AM, "Scott Kitterman" <<a href="mailto:ubuntu@kitterman.com">ubuntu@kitterman.com</a>> wrote: > > On Tuesday, May 03, 2011 01:41:10 AM Clint Byrum wrote: > > I had an interesting conversation with Baron Schwartz from Percona (author > > of the 2nd edition of High Performance MySQL and Maatkit) at the MySQL > > Users conference last month regarding what he feels distributions all > > get wrong. One particular pet peeve of his is that we strip our binaries. > > > > As Baron sees it, this is a *tiny* gain (smaller binaries for the CD) > > for a giant loss, which is the loss of ability to profile and introspect > > a critical piece of software while it is running and, perhaps more > > importantly, while it is failing. > > > > Its not enough to make it possible to correct the issue. As we all know, > > you have to make the system friendly by default. > > > > The -dbg packages help, but a) aren't mandatory, and b) don't always > > help with things like oprofile which doesn't know about them. > > > > I've personally run into this a few times in production usage where a > > problem is particularly hard to wrap one's head around, and I always > > ended up replacing my distro packages with something that was unstripped. > > The dbgsym repository is not well enough publicized IMO. > > <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-</a> > September/000195.html > > I've always found they work just fine and are available for all packages. I > agree with the other comment that it's better to fix tools that have problems > with the way we provide symbols than to give up on stripping. The "tiny" gain > we have is that we can ship the various Ubuntu flavors on reasonable sized > media. > > It might make sense to add the dbgsym repository to the standard sources.list > we ship and also include it's key so that it's easier for peope to enable it > and get the symbols they need. > > Scott K > Weren't the ddebs supposed to eventually end up on the Ubuntu archive once Launchpad supported them? If so maybe it would make more sense for flavors that want them preinstalled to make room on their disks and just seed the applicable ones.