Hi Folks Thanks for all your comments and suggestions. We don't really mind if TomeRaider comes out on other flavors of Linux than Ubuntu. I just feel that for Linux to take of in a meaningful sense there needs to be some unity behind a distribution, and Ubuntu seems totally the one for that:) What we don't want is to lose revenue from our Windows and Handheld sales of TomeRaider. We have done lots of freeware over the years but never any OS so its all new territory. I hope that our absolute willingness to say "The Ubuntu dev comunity can have this code, app and the thousands of Tomeraider reference works and ebooks for nothing and we will help as much as we can on any level" wont be hampered because of an excessive purism that responds "Thats great, but you must also make it OS on Windows" :) I have had a real epihany about Ubuntu:)  Thanks again folks, Mat Ripley <div>On 6/29/06, <a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com"> ubuntu-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Send ubuntu-devel mailing list submissions to         <a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit         <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel"> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel</a> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to         <a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com </a> You can reach the person managing the list at         <a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel-owner@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-devel-owner@lists.ubuntu.com</a> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-devel digest..." Today's Topics:    1. Re: ZeroConf in Ubuntu Edgy (Matt Zimmerman)    2. Re: Help Porting Our TomeRaider to Ubuntu (Ivan Krstic)    3. Re: Help Porting Our TomeRaider to Ubuntu (Ivan Krstic)    4. Re: MoM is running (Scott James Remnant)    5. Re: Help Porting Our TomeRaider to Ubuntu (Scott Dier)    6. Migrating to Edgy eft (chantra)    7. Re: Help Porting Our TomeRaider to Ubuntu (Dane Mutters)    8. Re: Help Porting Our TomeRaider to Ubuntu (Micah J. Cowan) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:18:59 -0700 From: Matt Zimmerman < <a href="mailto:mdz@ubuntu.com">mdz@ubuntu.com</a>> Subject: Re: ZeroConf in Ubuntu Edgy To: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:20060628211858.GY28159@alcor.net"> 20060628211858.GY28159@alcor.net</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Jun 28, 2006 at 10:47:58PM +0200, John Nilsson wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-23 at 09:15 +0800, Trent Lloyd wrote: > > Ubuntu has a no-open-ports by-default policy, which means that any > > mDNS/DNS-SD based discovery cannot be enabled by default. > > How about a semi-closed policy? I.e. having a iptables configuration > that is a bit more trusting of private networks. That's an interesting idea.  But are enough ISPs and corporate networks doing proper filtering these days for that to be safe? -- - mdz ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:22:13 -0700 From: Ivan Krstic <<a href="mailto:krstic@fas.harvard.edu">krstic@fas.harvard.edu</a>> Subject: Re: Help Porting Our TomeRaider to Ubuntu To: Mat Ripley <<a href="mailto:mat@yadabyte.com">mat@yadabyte.com</a>> Cc: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:44A30F25.4020609@fas.harvard.edu"> 44A30F25.4020609@fas.harvard.edu</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Mat, Mat Ripley wrote: > After falling in love with ubuntu I really would like our TomeRaider on > it. We are happy to make it free and open source just for the Ubuntu > distro (I know that unusual, but ubuntu is the future, IMHO) Free software (software libre, as opposed to gratis software) by definition doesn't restrict its users from modifying it or redistributing it [1]. It's essentially not possible to release your software under a truly free license if it includes a provision that revokes the same license from any distributor that's not Ubuntu; remember also that there's a growing number of Ubuntu derivative distributions (such as Kubuntu, Xubuntu, nubuntu, ImpiLinux, and so on) that would be adversely affected by such a provision. If you were, however, willing to make this a contribution to the whole open source and free software community, it would be very warmly greeted, and I'm sure you'd have no trouble finding help in getting the source code ported. > Is anyone available to help? You should probably first decide on the path you want to pursue with regard to licensing. If you choose a free software license, simply opening up a repository with the TomeRaider source code for public access, and announcing the decision, will likely attract developers who would be interested in helping with the port. -- Ivan Krstic <<a href="mailto:krstic@fas.harvard.edu">krstic@fas.harvard.edu</a>> | GPG: 0x147C722D ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:26:20 -0700 From: Ivan Krstic <<a href="mailto:krstic@fas.harvard.edu">krstic@fas.harvard.edu</a>> Subject: Re: Help Porting Our TomeRaider to Ubuntu To: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com </a> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:44A3101C.3060402@fas.harvard.edu">44A3101C.3060402@fas.harvard.edu</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ivan Krstic wrote: > Free software (software libre, as opposed to gratis software) by > definition doesn't restrict its users from modifying it or > redistributing it [1]. I missed adding this footnote; it was going to read 'with certain potential caveats, such as the GPL redistribution clause that requires modified GPL software to be made available under the terms of the GPL license'. -- Ivan Krstic <<a href="mailto:krstic@fas.harvard.edu">krstic@fas.harvard.edu</a>> | GPG: 0x147C722D ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 00:19:55 +0100 From: Scott James Remnant <<a href="mailto:scott@ubuntu.com">scott@ubuntu.com</a>> Subject: Re: MoM is running To: Ubuntu Development <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com"> ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:1151536795.5095.5.camel@quest.netsplit.com">1151536795.5095.5.camel@quest.netsplit.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Wed, 2006-06-28 at 04:06 +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote: > Either way, there's plenty of output to get chewing on. > The outstanding merges for each component now have status pages (regenerated once a day):         <a href="https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html">https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html</a>         <a href="https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html">https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html</a> You can grep these for your name if you like... Scott -- Scott James Remnant <a href="mailto:scott@ubuntu.com">scott@ubuntu.com</a> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Now one thing thats been seen in the past is not releasing the UI code for other operating systems but only open sourcing the application and the needed UI code for X11 based operating systems. Thanks, -- Scott Dier <<a href="mailto:dieman@ringworld.org">dieman@ringworld.org</a>> ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:47:15 +0200 From: chantra < <a href="mailto:chantra@debuntu.org">chantra@debuntu.org</a>> Subject: Migrating to Edgy eft To: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:44A31503.1010505@debuntu.org"> 44A31503.1010505@debuntu.org</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, As Edgy eft is derived from debian unstable, I was wondering if it would be better to install a clean debian unsable and then migrate to edgy eft or smply upgrade to edgy eft. What I did so far: I upgrading from dapper to edgy, result kde/qt based applications are broken. It seems that new kubuntu packages are getting in and will resolve the trouble. But still, will I have a more stable by going from debian unstable to edgy or from dapper to edgy. cheerio -- <a href="http://www.debuntu.org">http://www.debuntu.org</a> <<a href="http://www.debuntu.org/"> http://www.debuntu.org/</a>> Debuntu deb's repository <<a href="http://repository.debuntu.org">http://repository.debuntu.org</a>> Debuntu Debian and Ubuntu Tips and Tricks <<a href="http://www.debuntu.org/"> http://www.debuntu.org/</a>> -------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type multipart/related ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:35:54 -0700 From: Dane Mutters <<a href="mailto:dmutters@gmail.com">dmutters@gmail.com</a>> Subject: Re: Help Porting Our TomeRaider to Ubuntu To: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com </a> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:200606281735.54381.dmutters@gmail.com">200606281735.54381.dmutters@gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="iso-8859-1" On Wednesday 28 June 2006 16:43, Scott Dier wrote: > Ivan Krstic wrote: > > Free software (software libre, as opposed to gratis software) by > > definition doesn't restrict its users from modifying it or > > redistributing it [1]. > > Now one thing thats been seen in the past is not releasing the UI code > for other operating systems but only open sourcing the application and > the needed UI code for X11 based operating systems. Couldn't he also put it in Universe or Multiverse? --Dane ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:39:32 -0700 From: "Micah J. Cowan" <<a href="mailto:micah@cowan.name"> micah@cowan.name</a>> Subject: Re: Help Porting Our TomeRaider to Ubuntu To: Scott Dier <<a href="mailto:dieman@ringworld.org">dieman@ringworld.org</a>> Cc: Ubuntu Developer Discussion <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com"> ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:20060628173931.A41563@micah.cowan.name">20060628173931.A41563@micah.cowan.name</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Jun 28, 2006 at 06:43:40PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > Ivan Krstic wrote: > > Free software (software libre, as opposed to gratis software) by > > definition doesn't restrict its users from modifying it or > > redistributing it [1]. > > Now one thing thats been seen in the past is not releasing the UI code > for other operating systems but only open sourcing the application and > the needed UI code for X11 based operating systems. Such licenses are firmly outside the domain of FOSS. Does Ubuntu include any such packages in main or universe? Also, it doesn't really matter, but IIRC I haven't seen any software that's open only for X11-based operating systems; only for operating systems which are themselves open. Note that one might term a Windows version packaged with Cygwin (or MS proprietary X servers) an "X11-based operating system", whereas there are many Linux systems that are not X11-based. -- Micah J. Cowan Programmer, musician, typesetting enthusiast, gamer... <a href="http://micah.cowan.name/">http://micah.cowan.name/</a> ------------------------------ -- ubuntu-devel mailing list <a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel </a> End of ubuntu-devel Digest, Vol 22, Issue 68 ******************************************** </blockquote></div> -- Best wishes Mat Ripley Director Yadabyte Ltd <a href="http://www.yadabyte.com">http://www.yadabyte.com</a> <a href="http://www.yadasite.com">http://www.yadasite.com</a> Since 1999