Make proposed available by default? [was: Setting NotAutomatic for hirsute+1-proposed]

[Heinrich Schuchardt]

On 02.05.24 16:46, Robie Basak wrote:
> On Thu, May 02, 2024 at 04:05:31PM +0200, Heinrich Schuchardt wrote:
>> Often I see apt-get update downloads exceeding 100 MiB. That is without a
>> single package download.
> 
> I think it might be worth quantifying this. Right now, for amd64
> proposed pocket Packages.xz files for the following:

This is what I see:

$ sudo apt-get update
Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu oracular InRelease [64,6 kB]
Hit:2 http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb stable InRelease 
 

Hit:3 https://ppa.launchpadcontent.net/xypron/qemu/ubuntu noble 
InRelease 

Hit:4 https://ppa.launchpadcontent.net/xypron/rsyslog2312/ubuntu noble 
InRelease 

Get:5 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu oracular-security InRelease 
[64,6 kB]
Hit:6 
https://private-ppa.launchpadcontent.net/ubuntu-risc-v-team-private/private/ubuntu 
mantic InRelease
Get:7 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu oracular-updates InRelease [64,6 
kB]
Get:8 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu oracular-backports InRelease 
[64,7 kB]
Hit:9 
https://private-ppa.launchpadcontent.net/ubuntu-risc-v-team-private/private/ubuntu 
noble InRelease
Get:10 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu oracular/multiverse Sources [299 kB]
Hit:11 
https://private-ppa.launchpadcontent.net/ubuntu-risc-v-team-private/ventana/ubuntu 
noble InRelease
Hit:12 
https://private-ppa.launchpadcontent.net/ubuntu-risc-v-team-private/ventana/ubuntu 
mantic InRelease
Get:13 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu oracular/restricted Sources 
[18,7 kB]
Get:14 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu oracular/universe Sources [19,9 
MB]
Hit:15 
https://private-ppa.launchpadcontent.net/ubuntu-risc-v-team/private/ubuntu 
mantic InRelease
Get:16 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu oracular/main Sources [1.378 kB]
Get:17 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu oracular/main amd64 Packages 
[1.401 kB]
Get:18 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu oracular/main i386 Packages 
[1.041 kB]
Get:19 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu oracular/main Translation-en 
[512 kB]
Get:20 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu oracular amd64 Contents (deb) 
[51,3 MB]
Get:21 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu oracular i386 Contents (deb) 
[40,3 MB]
Get:22 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu oracular/restricted i386 
Packages [14,7 kB]
Get:23 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu oracular/restricted amd64 
Packages [93,9 kB]
Get:24 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu oracular/restricted 
Translation-en [18,7 kB]
Get:25 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu oracular/universe amd64 Packages 
[15,5 MB]
Get:26 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu oracular/universe i386 Packages 
[8.166 kB]
Get:27 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu oracular/universe Translation-en 
[5.980 kB]
Get:28 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu oracular/multiverse amd64 
Packages [269 kB]
Get:29 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu oracular/multiverse i386 
Packages [126 kB]
Get:30 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu oracular/multiverse 
Translation-en [118 kB]
Fetched 147 MB in 10s (14,3 MB/s) 
 

Reading package lists... Done

Best regards

Heinrich

> 
> Jammy:
> 
> main 253K
> universe 75K
> 
> Bionic (as an example of a mature release with fewer SRUs in flight):
> 
> main 131K
> universe 9.7K
> 
> There are maybe some extra round trip times to consider, although apt
> does do HTTP pipelining so I'm not sure.
> 
> I'm not counting sources, since presumably those with bandwidth
> constraints would not have them enabled.
> 
> It's worth noting that I don't expect these to cache (unlike the release
> pocket) since they change regularly.
> 
> But these results are much smaller than I was expecting!
> 
>> When working with a mobile connection this is already problematic. We should
>> strive to get this number down. Adding proposed is going into the wrong
>> direction and would only help a tiny fraction of all users.
> 
> Everything is a trade-off, of course. If we were adding just one byte
> then perhaps you wouldn't object. So, given the above sizes, do you
> still hold the same opinion?
> 
> Robie