Trademark concerns with Chef/Cinc package included in Debian and Ubuntu

[Rafael David Tinoco]

Forwarding to Ubuntu Devel Mailing list for broader audience.

Should I just open a [RM] bug for all Ubuntu versions ? Any thoughts ?

-rafaeldtinoco

On 07/05/2020 19:01, Lance Albertson wrote:
> I think removing it from Debian is the safe way to go currently. If
> you want assistance with how we build Cinc and how it could be adapted
> for Debian let me know. Also if there are any changes we can make on
> our end to make it easier.
>
> Thanks-
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 2:14 PM Antonio Terceiro <terceiro at debian.org
> <mailto:terceiro at debian.org>> wrote:
>
>     On Thu, May 07, 2020 at 03:32:10PM -0400, benny Vasquez wrote:
>     > Thanks, Lance!
>     >
>     > As he laid out, this packaged shipped as-is is a pretty serious
>     violation
>     > of our trademarks, and we'd like to see it addressed as soon as
>     humanly
>     > possible.
>     >
>     > On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 2:40 PM Lance Albertson <lance at osuosl.org
>     <mailto:lance at osuosl.org>> wrote:
>     >
>     > > All,
>     > >
>     > > I'm a member of the Cinc Project [1] which rebuilds and
>     rebrands various
>     > > Chef projects to comply with Chef Trademark Policy [2]. We
>     have worked
>     > > closely with Chef to ensure Cinc Client complies with this policy.
>     > >
>     > > A member of our community notified us today that it appears
>     that Ubuntu
>     > > [3] and Debian [4] are both including a package called "chef"
>     which seems
>     > > to pull in the Cinc source code but doesn't fully comply with
>     the Chef
>     > > Trademark Policy. We are concerned that this use of the Cinc
>     Client in the
>     > > manner it's currently presented will create an issue for us
>     and you in the
>     > > future unless this gets resolved quickly.
>     > >
>     > > Specifically, we are concerned with the following:
>     > >
>     > > 1. The package name should be cinc and not chef as Chef is
>     trademarked and
>     > > also causes users to think they are installing Chef when they are
>     > > installing Cinc
>     > > 2. The package should have proper attributions to include the
>     Cinc Project
>     > > including pointing any issues related to the package to our
>     issue page, and
>     > > not Chef
>     > > 2. Running "chef-client" (or other similar commands) does not
>     tell the
>     > > user that it's actually using Cinc Client as our package does
>     properly
>     > > 3. All of the trademark renaming we did in our Cinc Client
>     distribution
>     > > seems to have been removed and retains all of the Chef related
>     paths (i.e.
>     > > /etc/chef when it should be /etc/cinc). This will cause
>     confusion for users
>     > > who are expecting Cinc.
>     > >
>     > > We would like to work with the Debian/Ubuntu maintainers to
>     ensure you're
>     > > following compliance and also ensuring our distribution works
>     well on
>     > > Debian/Ubuntu. However we also want to ensure you don't get
>     into any legal
>     > > trouble with Chef. I am sure most of these changes weren't done
>     > > intentionally and was a mistake.
>     > >
>     > > Feel free to reach out to us via the #community-distros
>     channel on the
>     > > Chef Community Slack, or you can reach me directly via IRC on
>     Freenode as
>     > > "Ramereth".  I've also cc'd Benny Vasquez who is a community
>     manager at
>     > > Chef who can answer any questions relating to this and provide any
>     > > additional feedback.
>     > >
>     > > Thanks!
>     > >
>     > > [1] https://cinc.sh/
>     > > [2] https://www.chef.io/trademark-policy/
>     > > [3] https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/chef
>     > > [4] https://packages.debian.org/sid/chef
>
>     I am inclined to just remove chef from Debian as a way of fixing this.
>
>     Maybe I will package cinc from scratch. That would be easier if there
>     were proper source releases.
>

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