Details of what is happening with python3.8 in Ubuntu?

[Sebastien Bacher]

Hey Michael, thanks for the reply.

Le 23/10/2019 à 01:01, Michael Hudson-Doyle a écrit :
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>     - Could someone explain why those .install tricks are needed exactly?
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> It's because the "abi tag" for python c extensions has changed in a
> way that makes it a bit annoying / impossible to write a glob that
> matches 3.7 and 3.8 release build extensions and not the debug extensions.
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>     Couldn't the issue be solved in the python packaging tools instead?
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> Yes, probably.

Ok, thanks, that's useful information about the naming/matching. If it
could probably be fixed in the tooling shouldn't we have looked at that
first rather than dumping a stack of delta in the archive which is going
to bite us back later by having to deal with manually reviewing/merging
those packages later?

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> I've made a bug report for cracklib2 now.*

Thanks!

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>     - Is that a transition we are under pressure to get through? 
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> Well we want it to complete before opening the archive and I assume
> people want the archive to open...
Ok, I didn't know that it needed to be complete before archive opening
since we have proposed and I though it could be handle as a normal
transition and blocked in there still after opening.

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>     Should we
>     maybe take the time to document what's going on
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> Well there was this
> mail: https://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com/msg09144.html
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> And there is a transition
> tracker: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/python3.8-add.html (not
> sure this has been advertised but it's not hard to find).

Right, the first one is the one I referred to. I was more looking to an
email that explained e.g the technical of e.g the abi/naming change and
the problem it creates on .install matching and the recommended
solution. I think it's important to share knowledge in such cases so
other developers understand what is being done and why and then can be
helping.

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> Maybe roping in more people would help, maybe not. The plan was for
> Matthias and I to work on this more or less full time and just crank
> through it.
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Well, cranking through it is only one side of the story. Then we need to
maintain those changes. Do you&Mathias plan to keep on maintaining those
packages you touched, doing Debian merges when needed, etc? If not and
the expectation is that the team 'owning' the packages deal with the
maintainance then the changes need to be understood by the people who
are going to maintain them...


Cheers,
Sebastien Bacher

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