Five build fixes a day

[Steve Langasek]

Hi Matthias,

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 04:18:49PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote:
> On 09/13/2011 12:44 PM, Colin Watson wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:32:58AM +0200, Martin Pitt wrote:
> >> Right, for those in particular the fixes should be sent to upstream
> >> right away, not to Debian, as it's not a problem that actually affects
> >> Debian (yet).
> > 
> > I think Matthias said that he'd like to turn that on in Debian too quite
> > soon, actually.

> There are concerns not to turn these on in Debian, and they are not as
> important for Debian as for Ubuntu.  Debian has binNMUs, which we do
> simulate by our "buildX" uploads.  The main benefit for Ubuntu now is that
> less packages have to be uploaded this way, less work load on powerpc and
> armel buildds, and we do have less dependencies, less NBS cruft at the end
> of the release cycle.

Is this a view that's been expressed by the affected teams in Debian, or are
you extrapolating?  Because as far as I'm concerned, having to binNMU large
numbers of packages for transitions of libraries they aren't even using is
still a huge issue there, just as it was 7 years ago when freetype upstream
threatened to change the library soname.  Even if we consider the binNMU
issue unimportant, the lack of widespread adoption of library symbol
versioning by upstreams means spurious library linkages still cause a
serious problem for partial upgrades.

So while I'm still pretty ambivalent about 'ld --as-needed' as the way to
fix this, I don't think this issue is less important in Debian than it is in
Ubuntu - and I would be surprised if the Debian release team or Debian
buildd team disagree.

Cheers,
-- 
Steve Langasek                   Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer                   to set it on, and I can move the world.
Ubuntu Developer                                    http://www.debian.org/
slangasek at ubuntu.com                                     vorlon at debian.org
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