Understanding the definitions and expectations of our membership processes

[Chase Douglas]

On 07/27/2011 03:59 PM, Iain Lane wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 03:04:49PM -0700, Chase Douglas wrote:
>> [...] 
>> (Note: I don't want to get into specific cases, but the following is an
>> issue that I imagine is fairly unique. I've used my own personal case
>> here to illustrate the point, but I don't want to get into a
>> conversation about my particular merits here.)
>>
>> The other thing that I forgot to mention is that moving to a "trust"
>> model of requirements resolves the issue that I face: acceptable for
>> core-dev, but not for motu, and thus I'm not acceptable for core-dev. I
>> was told that I would be strongly considered for core-dev because of the
>> amount of work I've done on packages in main. However, core-dev implies
>> MOTU, and since I haven't done any (well, very little) universe work, I
>> couldn't be a MOTU. Hence, I'm stuck, and I seriously have no extra time
>> in the day to do any universe work.
>>
>> (The technical reason why I was told I was not acceptable for MOTU was
>> because I did not have a breadth of experiences dealing with universe
>> packages. By that, the board meant I did not have experience with
>> potentially poorly maintained packaging.)
>>
>> If one is trusted to upload system-critical packages and to know the
>> limits of his or her packaging competencies for main, then it shouldn't
>> be any different for universe.
> 
> I don't know who told you this, but it is not true.
> 
> Indeed it would be strange if you were to apply for MOTU and didn't
> actually care about universe at all.
> 
> Just because ~ubuntu-core-dev is a member of ~motu (and /many/ other
> teams, including hopefully all uploading teams) does not mean that you
> must demonstrate interest or competence in all of those areas.
> 
> If you've demonstrated competence, know your boundaries (can be
> trusted), and have endorsers then you should apply for upload rights.
> 
> This type of misinformation I think is a serious issue. I want to shout
> the previous paragraph from the rooftops. It's why I don't think the DMB
> has a serious problem in this area. It's what I think is at the heart of
> this huge thread: the perception that getting upload rights is
> impossible or that we deny good people the access they desire. I just
> simply do not think it is true.
> 
> I tried to write some guidelines, at least as much as can be written
> down
> 
>   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/ApplicationProcess

Thanks Iain! I reviewed the guidelines and they seem reasonable and
appropriate to me.

I'll see about dusting off my application and giving it another go.

-- Chase