"What I like least in Ubuntu"

[Jonathan Carter (highvoltage)]

On 25/07/11 11:38 AM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage)
> <jonathan at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>> I come across this on a weekly basis and I don't know where it's coming
>> from. I have people at work who fix things all the time and upload it to
>> PPAs and when I ask them why they don't become MOTU so that they can fix
>> it directly in Ubuntu as well, they ask me "But isn't MOTU
>> dead/replaced/obsolete now?".
>>
>> Sure there are package sets / per package uploaders now, but that
>> doesn't make people who specifically care about universe any less
>> important than they've ever been.
> 
> There's still the question of what it'll be after archive reorg (if
> any more progress is made on archive reorg, that is). I've heard a few
> different potential paths for where MOTU will end up.... combining
> with core-dev to do everything that's not in a package set, staying
> separate and doing anything unseeded even if it's in a package set...
> very confusing.

I agree that it is confusing, but I don't think it has to be. The
ArchiveReorganisation[1] wiki page hasn't been edited in the last 2
years and it hasn't been revisited at UDS. The process is effectively
stalled for now. The Components[2] sub-page says that there would no
longer be a separate main and universe and that MOTU (I guess it will
need a new name since it would technically be something different) would
take care of unseeded packages.

Those pages list some unresolved issues and questions that still need to
be explored. I think in some ways some people jumped the gun with the
archive reorganisation. It's important to acknowledge that it's an
incomplete process and it's imho not a good idea to discard existing
processes until the new ones are somewhat ready to replace them.

I don't think the issues on that page need to wait until UDS to be
explored. If anything, I think the issues listed on that page was
already discussed enough at UDS and spending one or two hour-long
sessions in a few months will probably be less beneficial than taking it
up electronically and exploring it on an ongoing basis.

-Jonathan

[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveReorganisation
[2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveReorganisation/Components