Using Tags in Debian Bugs

[Lucas Nussbaum]

On 23/08/07 at 11:33 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On Thursday 23 August 2007 10:57, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> > On 23/08/07 at 09:41 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > > On Thursday 23 August 2007 04:05, Daniel Holbach wrote:
> > > > Hello everybody,
> > > >
> > > > Lucas Nussbaum explains in
> > > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Debian/Usertagging how to make use of
> > > > Debian User Tags. It will make it easier to track the origin of bugs
> > > > and patches. Thanks for that Lucas.
> > > >
> > > > So if your work-flow comprises of forwarding patches to Debian using
> > > > Debian bug reports, please check out the link above and make use of
> > > > them.
> > >
> > > Are those tags agreed to by anyone in Debian (does Debian policy support
> > > their use)?
> > >
> > > Myself, I think that submissions to the Debian BTS should be based on
> > > Debian policy, not unilateral Ubuntu policy, so I wanted to check and
> > > see.
> >
> > Those tags are usertags, not "normal", global tags: everybody is free to
> > add their own usertags on the Debian BTS, with the meaning one choose.
> > There are only visible if you know the "user" for which the tags are added.
> 
> SIgh.
> 
> On your wiki page, 3 of the 4 reasons for using usertags are predicated on 
> other people see them:
> 
> "When submitting bugs to Debian, it is recommended to use BTS usertags. This 
> has several advantages:
> 
>     * It allows to keep track of them.
>     * It will help showing Debian that Ubuntu contributes to Debian.
>     * It might help showing Debian that some Debian developers are not being 
> helpful (ignoring patches for a long time).
>     * The fact that bugs are visibly tracked could make Debian developers 
> integrate patches faster."
> 
> The fact is, Ubuntu users/developers are NOT Debian users.
> 
> The bottom line motivation for this seems to be "showing Debian" and not being 
> helpful members of the Debian ecosphere.  

And maybe, acting as an incentive for Ubuntu devs to contribute
bugs/patches to Debian.

> All in all, I don't see this being helpful in promoting a positive 
> relationship with Debian.  I see it (based on what's in the wiki page) being 
> predicated on proving Debian doubters about Ubuntu are wrong.
> 
> Either no one in Debian will see it and it won't accomplish your stated goals 
> or Debian people will see it and so we ought to coordinate with them first.

Currently, when a Debian dev says "Ubuntu's contributions to Debian are
negligible", we have absolutely no data.

I only see that proposal as something easy to do, that will allow to
gather data, and maybe manage those bugs in a more global way. It's not
a revolutionary proposal, but such data will be needed anyway if you
want to propose something revolutionary :-)
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