ubuntu-devel Digest, Vol 27, Issue 87

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>    1. Re: Ubuntu under investigation by Turkish attorney general
>       (Alexandre Strube)
>    2. Re: Ubuntu under investigation by Turkish attorney general
>       (Peter Garrett)
>    3. Re: please support (Ozgur Karatas)
>    4. Re: Ubuntu under investigation by Turkish attorney general
>       (Ozgur Karatas)
>    5. Re: please support (Soren Hansen)
>    6. Re: Ubuntu under investigation by Turkish attorney general
>       (Caroline Ford)
>    7. Re: please support (Caroline Ford)
>    8. Re: Ubuntu under investigation by Turkish attorney general
>       (Ozgur Karatas)
>    9. Re: please support (Ozgur Karatas)
>   10. Re: Ubuntu under investigation by Turkish attorney general
>       (Mark Shuttleworth)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:00:26 +0100
> From: "Alexandre Strube" <surak at surak.eti.br>
> Subject: Re: Ubuntu under investigation by Turkish attorney general
> To: ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
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> 2006/11/29, Ozgur Karatas <okaratas at ogr.iu.edu.tr>:
>>
>> during the last week, there had been some problems about ubuntu in my
>> country. some claim that ubuntu is developed by kurds. yet, turkish
>> republic is against this issue. we, as a group of ubuntu volunteers,
>> prepared a press decleration and a meeting. regarding this, i am asking
>> from you valuable developers, a full authority and spokesman rights.
>> otherwise, i will not be able to stand in front of the
>> misinterpretations
>> about ubuntu. please support and help me.
>
>
> Sorry, but I fail to understand what you mean with "full authority and
> spokesman rights".
>
> --
> []
> Alexandre Strube
> surak at ubuntu.com
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 01:50:47 +1100
> From: Peter Garrett <peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au>
> Subject: Re: Ubuntu under investigation by Turkish attorney general
> To: ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Cc: okaratas at ogr.iu.edu.tr
> Message-ID: <20061130015047.c7b4dfc3.peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au>
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> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:45:17 +0200 (EET)
> "Ozgur Karatas" <okaratas at ogr.iu.edu.tr> wrote:
>
>> i am asking for authority spokesman rights, because, these
>> events troubles me and other ubuntu volunteers in my country.
>
> Erdal Ronahi appears to be listed as the Kurdish localisation lead:
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErdalRonahi
>
> "  ErdalRonahi works in the KurdishTeam and is responsible for the Kurdish
> localization of Ubuntu "
>
> Is this correct ?
>
> Peter
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:08:35 +0200 (EET)
> From: "Ozgur Karatas" <okaratas at ogr.iu.edu.tr>
> Subject: Re: please support
> To: ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <45451.195.142.233.194.1164812915.squirrel at ogr.iu.edu.tr>
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> Hi,
> and please do not let any misunderstandings. i am not against addition of
> kurdish language support. what i am against is that they say they prepared
> and coded ubuntu which is a violation of ubuntu's rights. also in those
> news, they said they had developed ubuntu publicly and it is only in
> kurdish.
> Regards,
>
> --
> Ozgur
>
>
> .
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:05:06 +0200 (EET)
> From: "Ozgur Karatas" <okaratas at ogr.iu.edu.tr>
> Subject: Re: Ubuntu under investigation by Turkish attorney general
> To: ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Cc: peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au, mark at canonical.com
> Message-ID: <44858.195.142.233.194.1164812706.squirrel at ogr.iu.edu.tr>
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> Hello Peter,
> please do not let any misunderstandings. i am not against addition of
> kurdish language support. what i am against is that they say they prepared
> and coded ubuntu which is a violation of ubuntu's rights. also in those
> news, they said they had developed ubuntu publicly and it is only in
> kurdish.
> Regards,
>
> --
> Ozgur Karatas
> Ubuntu Supporter
>
> http://www.ubuntu.com/
> --
>
>> Erdal Ronahi appears to be listed as the Kurdish localisation lead:
>>
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErdalRonahi
>>
>> "  ErdalRonahi works in the KurdishTeam and is responsible for the
>> Kurdish
>> localization of Ubuntu "
>>
>> Is this correct ?
>>
>> Peter
>
>
> .
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:17:52 +0100
> From: Soren Hansen <sh at linux2go.dk>
> Subject: Re: please support
> To: ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <20061129151752.GA20927 at vega.linux2go.dk>
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> On Wed, Nov 29, 2006 at 05:08:35PM +0200, Ozgur Karatas wrote:
>> and please do not let any misunderstandings. i am not against addition
>> of kurdish language support. what i am against is that they say they
>> prepared and coded ubuntu which is a violation of ubuntu's rights.
>> also in those news, they said they had developed ubuntu publicly and
>> it is only in kurdish.
>
> I've clearly misunderstood something here. Is it the Kurdish loco team
> that says they've developed Ubuntu, or is it the Turkish attorney
> general that wants to ban Ubuntu because they (the attorney general)
> thinks it's a Kurdish project or is it something entirely different?
>
> --
> | Soren Hansen    | Linux2Go                  | http://Linux2Go.dk/ |
> | Seniorkonsulent | Lindholmsvej 42, 2. TH    | +45 46 90 26 42     |
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:23:54 +0000
> From: "Caroline Ford" <caroline.ford.work at googlemail.com>
> Subject: Re: Ubuntu under investigation by Turkish attorney general
> To: okaratas at ogr.iu.edu.tr
> Cc: ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
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> On 29/11/06, Ozgur Karatas <okaratas at ogr.iu.edu.tr> wrote:
>>
>>
>> despite there is only kurdish language support in ubuntu, they claim
>> ubuntu is a kurdish linux and also assert that they developed it. this
>> kind of attitude cause turk-kurd discrimination. to work on this subject
>> voluntarilty, i am asking for authority spokesman rights, because, these
>> events troubles me and other ubuntu volunteers in my country. below, i
>> am
>> sending newspaper and other press link on this issue:
>
>
> Who are "they". Are "they" the Turkish authorities or "they" the Kurdish
> localisation team?
>
> Caroline
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:35:58 +0000
> From: "Caroline Ford" <caroline.ford.work at googlemail.com>
> Subject: Re: please support
> To: "Mark Shuttleworth" <mark at canonical.com>
> Cc: okaratas at ogr.iu.edu.tr, Jono Bacon <jono at ubuntu.com>,
> 	ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com, claire.davis at ubuntu.com
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> On 29/11/06, Mark Shuttleworth <mark at canonical.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ozgur Karatas wrote:
>>
>> during the last week, there had been some problems about ubuntu in my
>> country. some claim that ubuntu is developed by kurds. yet, turkish
>> republic is against this issue. we, as a group of ubuntu volunteers,
>> prepared a press decleration and a meeting. regarding this, i am asking
>> from you valuable developers, a full authority and spokesman rights.
>> otherwise, i will not be able to stand in front of the
>> misinterpretations
>> about ubuntu. please support and help me.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is a very serious issue. As a community, we would like to be of
>> every
>> assistance to you. I've asked Jono to look into it in more detail and to
>> figure out how best we can engage.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>
>
> This may help for background -
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds_in_turkey
>
> Caroline
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:37:45 +0200 (EET)
> From: "Ozgur Karatas" <okaratas at ogr.iu.edu.tr>
> Subject: Re: Ubuntu under investigation by Turkish attorney general
> To: ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Cc: caroline.ford.work at googlemail.com, mark at canonical.com
> Message-ID: <49635.195.142.233.194.1164814665.squirrel at ogr.iu.edu.tr>
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>
> Hi,
> I am exploreing this on me. although ubuntu team made the package of
> kurdish language, they say that they had done it.. The person who said
> this lie ise a turkish diplomat. he says that they improved UBUNTU. i
> will prosecute to him..
>
> The name of the person which maked this mistake is Osman Baydemir. He is a
> Continent president of Turkey.
>
> http://www.milliyet.com/2006/11/21/guncel/agun.html
>
>
> thanks,
>
>> Who are "they". Are "they" the Turkish authorities or "they" the Kurdish
>> localisation team?
>>
>> Caroline


>>CAN YOU PLEASE MOVE ME OUT OF YOUR LIST BECUASE I GET LOADED WITH LOTS
OF INFORMATION THAT I DNT EVEN NEED
I DONT KNOW HOW I BECAME A MEMMBER THERE AS IT SEEMS BUT I SUSPECT SOMBODY
USED MY E-MAIL ADDRESS.
>> --
>
> --
> Ozgur Karatas
> Ubuntu User - http://www.ubuntu.com/
> --
>
>
> .
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:40:13 +0200 (EET)
> From: "Ozgur Karatas" <okaratas at ogr.iu.edu.tr>
> Subject: Re: please support
> To: ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <49843.195.142.233.194.1164814813.squirrel at ogr.iu.edu.tr>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8
>
> Hi Caroline,
> I am exploreing this on me. although ubuntu team made the package of
> kurdish language, they say that they had done it.. The person who said
> this lie ise a turkish diplomat. he says that they improved UBUNTU. i
> will prosecute to him..
>
> The name of the person which maked this mistake is Osman Baydemir. He is a
> Continent president of Turkey.
>
> http://www.milliyet.com/2006/11/21/guncel/agun.html
>
>
> thanks,
>
>> This may help for background -
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds_in_turkey
>>
>> Caroline
>> --
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:48:19 +0000
> From: Mark Shuttleworth <mark at canonical.com>
> Subject: Re: Ubuntu under investigation by Turkish attorney general
> To: okaratas at ogr.iu.edu.tr
> Cc: Jono Bacon <jono at ubuntu.com>, caroline.ford.work at googlemail.com,
> 	ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <456DABC3.9070001 at canonical.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Ozgur Karatas wrote:
>> I am exploreing this on me. although ubuntu team made the package of
>> kurdish language, they say that they had done it.. The person who said
>> this lie ise a turkish diplomat. he says that they improved UBUNTU. i
>> will prosecute to him..
>>
>> The name of the person which maked this mistake is Osman Baydemir. He is
>> a
>> Continent president of Turkey.
>>
>> http://www.milliyet.com/2006/11/21/guncel/agun.html
>>
>
> Ozgur, I slow down. I don't think it's sensible to charge around
> threatening to prosecute people until the full facts are clear, and at
> this stage its not at all clear what's going on. We want to be
> supportive of the local Ubuntu team, and the Kurdish translation
> efforts, and we will need to be diplomatic and effective in the way we
> approach this. Please work with Jono to get a full understanding of
> what's going on.
>
> Mark
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