John Richard Moser
nigelenki at comcast.net
Fri Feb 24 23:57:03 GMT 2006
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Travis Watkins wrote:
> On 2/22/06, Danilo Šegan <danilo at kvota.net> wrote:
>> But, judgding from the list John posted, it seems as if the most
>> interesting things for that (gtk+, libglade, at-spi bindings) are not
> He posted the things nothing depends on, I know at least g-a-i and
> alacarte depend on python-gtk2 and python-glade2 and are installed by
> default so those wouldn't be in his list.
Correct. I was not interested in removing ALL of python; this isn't a
crusade against python. My problem is that Ubuntu brings with it a load
of extra libraries and bindings without touting right up front that
these come standard; and that this is out of scope for providing a
"desktop" environment, and only amounts to more excess fluff. The only
allusion to this on the main site is that ONE little FAQ entry buried in
a HUGE FAQ page; I only found it by searching the site for 'python' and
then searching the page for 'python'.
It also seems to be in "under the hood" on the 5.10 release
announcement; but so is "GCC 4.0.1," but gcc and loads of *-dev packages
as well as build-essentials don't come standard in ubuntu-desktop. This
leads me to read "Python 2.4.2" being "under the hood" as meaning that
the parts of Ubuntu using Python are using Python 2.4.2, NOT that
there's a load of excess Python packages strewn around.
as for the FAQ page:
Scroll down to support and there are TWO "Development Tools" headings.
The first reads:
What is the simplest way to install the development tools so that I
can compile programs?
sudo aptitude install build-essential
Development tools are included on the CD, and so do not need to be
After this, there are 7 more headings, then another one:
How can I install software development tools?
A default Ubuntu desktop installation includes a full-featured Python
development environment, so if you want to develop in Python, you
should already have everything you need.
If you want to develop in C or C++, install the build-essential
package. The choice to exclude C/C++ development tools from the
default desktop install was an explicit one. The discussion is
I have decided not to comment on how this could be read into; I'm not a
> Travis Watkins
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