MOTU-and-Debian meeting?

[Brandon Hale]

On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 00:10 +0200, Stephan Hermann wrote:
> Hi Brandon,
> 
> Am Saturday 04 June 2005 23:48 schrieb Brandon Hale:
> > [...]
> > When I brought this up in #ubuntu-motu, I was pointed at a few nasty
> > threads on debian-devel about this very topic.  A bunch of DDs are
> > mad that the MOTU aren't proactively giving back.
> 
> As we discussed on IRC, we should discuss that with the MOTU team, as 
> well as with the others.
> There must be a technical solution for the problem, so that the DDs get 
> the patches or news directly to their inbox.

Yes.
Just a small note, this should always be opt-in, not opt-out.

> I think in times, where everybody knows what email and RSS is, it should 
> be easy to setup a RSS feed from bugzilla/malone.
> 
> The idea with the different MOTUTeams should be established as well in 
> Debian. 

In some cases it makes a lot of sense to have a regular maintainer (or
team) for a set of packages in universe, with ties to the Debian
counterpart. MOTU does a lot of small changes (on packages that we might
not normally touch) as seen with Python and CXX transition that don't
benefit from this sort of arrangement, so we need something that works
in both cases.

> And then there is Baz.

We can't really expect everyone to jump head first into Baz.  It's
getting easier to pick up, but its not trivial from both learning curve
and infrastructure perspectives.  HCT, bzr, and launchpad arch mirroring
may change this at some point in the future, but we aren't at a point
where we can offer something compelling enough to make people want to
make the leap from SVN.  We currently maintain a large chunk of pkg-mono
on svn.debian.org, and I can't make a spectacular case for using baz
(yet).