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> 1. Re: Live CD update (i386, amd64, powerpc) (Matt Zimmerman)
> 2. Re: where is the source? (Matt Zimmerman)
> 3. Re: [Bug 5302] sysvinit: new changes from Debian require
> merging (Matt Zimmerman)
> 4. Re: Accepted kdeadmin 4:3.3.2-1ubuntu2 (source) (Jonathan Riddell)
> 5. Re: Interactive upgrade hooks (Michael Vogt)
> 6. Re: Interactive upgrade hooks (Matt Zimmerman)
> 7. Re: Interactive upgrade hooks (Michael Vogt)
> 8. Re: where is the source? (Otto Kek?l?inen)
> 9. Re: [Bug 5302] sysvinit: new changes from Debian require
> merging (leon breedt)
> 10. Re: Getting back/forward mouse buttons working as default (nuopus)
> 11. Re: [Bug 5302] sysvinit: new changes from Debian require
> merging (Paul Sladen)
> 12. Re: Getting back/forward mouse buttons working as default
> (Myles Green)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:55:11 -0800
> From: Matt Zimmerman <mdz at ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: Live CD update (i386, amd64, powerpc)
> To: ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <20050112185511.GI7707 at alcor.net>
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> On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:07:37PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
>
> > For some reason, network interface detection is failing at the moment
>
> I found this bug last night, and it is fixed in the current daily CDs.
>
> gdm autologin configuration is broken, though, but I've uploaded a fix which
> will be in the next set of daily CDs.
>
> --
> - mdz
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:04:12 -0800
> From: Matt Zimmerman <mdz at ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: where is the source?
> To: ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com, rosetta-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <20050112190412.GJ7707 at alcor.net>
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> On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 01:37:14PM +0000, Colin Watson wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 03:24:13PM +0200, Otto Keklinen wrote:
> > > I've been searching the website, docs, wiki, rosetta etc but I haven't found
> > > any place where I could find the source for the Ubuntu-specific
> > > (debian-)installer. I've also sent out several mails, but haven't got any
> > > replys yet, so I beg to you if somebody could help me with this simple thing.
> > >
> > > So, where is the source?
> >
> > It's spread over a number of source packages; the list is long. We are
> > going to be importing the installer's strings into Rosetta in the near
> > future, though, so if you could be patient for a little longer then that
> > will probably be simplest.
> >
> > If you really want the source packages, look through all the package
> > names in the Packages files in /dists/hoary/main/debian-installer/ and
> > do 'apt-get source' on a hoary system for all of them.
>
> In other words:
>
> wget -q -O- http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/debian-installer/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 | bunzip2 | grep-dctrl -nsPackage '' | xargs apt-get source
>
> --
> - mdz
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:06:57 -0800
> From: Matt Zimmerman <mdz at ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: [Bug 5302] sysvinit: new changes from Debian require
> merging
> To: ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <20050112190657.GL7707 at alcor.net>
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>
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 02:39:49PM +0000, Scott James Remnant wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 13:11 +0000, bugzilla-daemon at bugzilla.ubuntu.com
> > wrote:
> > > ------- Additional Comments From amu at tr.debian.net 2005-01-12 13:11 UTC -------
> > > No changes from 2.86-5. Used the .ds naming convention
> > > that is suggested for packages which need to have their
> > > docs removed.
> > >
> > Did I miss something? Why do packages need to have their docs removed?
> > I thought we were considering the GFDL "free enough"...
> >
> > Actually, on that note, would it be valid for us to put back removed
> > GFDL documentation; for example autoconf had its purged recently (into
> > non-free autoconf-doc which we haven't got in our archive!) In that
> > case I think we should sync it from non-free, or simply put the package
> > back together again.
>
> We aren't kicking out doc-only packages which have GFDL documentation in
> them, but I don't think it's worth the headache at this point to diverge
> .orig.tar.gz in order to restore it where it's been removed.
>
> If possible, we should just package the documentation separately if we want
> it.
>
> --
> - mdz
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:22:47 +0000
> From: Jonathan Riddell <jr at jriddell.org>
> Subject: Re: Accepted kdeadmin 4:3.3.2-1ubuntu2 (source)
> To: ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com, S?bastien Filleul
> <sebastien.filleul at gltrade.com>
> Message-ID: <20050112192247.GG693 at muse.19inch.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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> On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 11:21:17AM +0100, S?bastien Filleul wrote:
> > I wonder whether the kdeadmin 3.3.2 package in
> > [1]http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kdeadmin/ that
> > does not contain a i386 binary package, is normal.
>
> No it's not. This package has now been updated.
>
> Jonathan Riddell
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:24:32 +0100
> From: Michael Vogt <michael.vogt at canonical.com>
> Subject: Re: Interactive upgrade hooks
> To: Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen at raw.no>, ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <20050112192432.GA5098 at top.ping.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
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> On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 03:07:22PM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> > I wrote a short draft here:
> >
> > https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InteractiveUpgradeHooks
> >
> > which should explain the idea. Feedback and corrections are welcome.
>
> Tollef and I designed a proposed spec and put it on the
> wiki. Feedback is very welcome. A format for the hook file is
> suggested (closley modeled after debconf so that we can use some of
> there tools, e.g. debconf2pot) and a basic concept how it can be added
> to update-notifier.
>
> The "post-upgrade hook was run" information will be put in a format
> that is easy to use by text-based tools as well. The idea is that it
> should be easy to write a tool that tells the user about the
> "post-upgrade hooks" and possibly about updates too (as Colin
> suggested).
>
> thanks,
> Michael
>
> --
> Linux is not The Answer. Yes is the answer. Linux is The Question. - Neo
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>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:34:57 -0800
> From: Matt Zimmerman <mdz at ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: Interactive upgrade hooks
> To: ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <20050112193457.GM7707 at alcor.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 08:24:32PM +0100, Michael Vogt wrote:
>
> > Tollef and I designed a proposed spec and put it on the
> > wiki. Feedback is very welcome. A format for the hook file is
> > suggested (closley modeled after debconf so that we can use some of
> > there tools, e.g. debconf2pot) and a basic concept how it can be added
> > to update-notifier.
> >
> > The "post-upgrade hook was run" information will be put in a format
> > that is easy to use by text-based tools as well. The idea is that it
> > should be easy to write a tool that tells the user about the
> > "post-upgrade hooks" and possibly about updates too (as Colin
> > suggested).
>
> Looks great!
>
> One extension I would suggest would be to include an optional priority(?)
> field in the hooks, and use that to display an appropriate icon in a list of
> pending actions.
>
> --
> - mdz
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:27:15 +0100
> From: Michael Vogt <michael.vogt at canonical.com>
> Subject: Re: Interactive upgrade hooks
> To: ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <20050112202715.GA5691 at top.ping.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 11:34:57AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 08:24:32PM +0100, Michael Vogt wrote:
> > > Tollef and I designed a proposed spec and put it on the
> > > wiki. Feedback is very welcome. A format for the hook file is
> > > suggested (closley modeled after debconf so that we can use some of
> > > there tools, e.g. debconf2pot) and a basic concept how it can be added
> > > to update-notifier.
> > >
> > > The "post-upgrade hook was run" information will be put in a format
> > > that is easy to use by text-based tools as well. The idea is that it
> > > should be easy to write a tool that tells the user about the
> > > "post-upgrade hooks" and possibly about updates too (as Colin
> > > suggested).
> >
> > Looks great!
> >
> > One extension I would suggest would be to include an optional priority(?)
> > field in the hooks, and use that to display an appropriate icon in a list of
> > pending actions.
>
> Thanks! Added to the wiki.
>
> bye,
> Michael
>
> --
> Linux is not The Answer. Yes is the answer. Linux is The Question. - Neo
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:30:22 +0200
> From: Otto Kek?l?inen <ottolist at kekalainen.net>
> Subject: Re: where is the source?
> To: ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com, rosetta-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <200501122230.22720.ottolist at kekalainen.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> > > > So, where is the source?
> > >
> > > It's spread over a number of source packages; the list is long. We are
> > > going to be importing the installer's strings into Rosetta in the near
> > > future, though, so if you could be patient for a little longer then that
> > > will probably be simplest.
> > >
> > > If you really want the source packages, look through all the package
> > > names in the Packages files in /dists/hoary/main/debian-installer/ and
> > > do 'apt-get source' on a hoary system for all of them.
> >
> > In other words:
> >
> > wget -q -O-
> > http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/debian-installer/binary-i
> >386/Packages.bz2 | bunzip2 | grep-dctrl -nsPackage '' | xargs apt-get source
>
> Ok, thanks. It's quite a few packages, and all the .po are scattered around,
> but yes this is basicly what I wanted to find.
>
> I already know what the strings are that need translations, so maybe I'll try
> to do some "cat *.po | grep <string>" -script in order to find the exact
> files.
>
> --
> | Otto Keklinen
> | Osuuskunta Sange
> | http:/linux.sange.fi/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:44:05 +1300
> From: leon breedt <bitserf at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Bug 5302] sysvinit: new changes from Debian require
> merging
> To: Scott James Remnant <scott at ubuntu.com>
> Cc: Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <270bd0c40501121244d8a5e2d at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:39:49 +0000, Scott James Remnant
> <scott at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> > Actually, on that note, would it be valid for us to put back removed
> > GFDL documentation; for example autoconf had its purged recently (into
> > non-free autoconf-doc which we haven't got in our archive!) In that
> > case I think we should sync it from non-free, or simply put the package
> > back together again.
> I agree, FWIW. Removing docs for silly reasons like this accomplishes
> nothing except to really piss off users.
>
> Leon
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:18:54 -0500
> From: nuopus <dlist at ubuntuforums.org>
> Subject: Re: Getting back/forward mouse buttons working as default
> To: ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <nuopus.1irrfm at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
>
>
> Myles Green Wrote:
> > On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 03:39:01 +0000
> > Martin Alderson <martinalderson at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, I've set this up before, but I nuked that HDD and I'm on a
> > > different system now. I have no doubts that would work, but it's such
> > > a pain when Windows and OSX have it ready in a few seconds.
> > >
> >
> > Not to be rude or anything, but in the time you've spent complaining
> > about this you could have had it working, seeing as how you know how
> > and
> > what to edit. You even had time to file a bug report, no?
> >
> > Just an observation...
> >
> > Cheers,
> > --
> > Myles Green <rmg57 at telus dot net> Calgary AB Canada
> > Ubuntu Linux 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Dev. Branch
> > http://www.ubuntulinux.org/
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> Hoary is a development distribution. That features would help lots of
> people that are NEW to Linux and are not adept at configuring text
> files manually.
>
> The only way changes are made is if people make the requests and file
> the bugs ... not JUST because a development team thought it was a good
> idea.
>
> He has the right to post his feelings about what could improve the
> distribution when it is released or make comparisons to other operating
> systems to get its importance out.
>
> I know lots of people who are interrested in looking at Linux ... but
> would turn away at things they just EXPECT to work because that is how
> everything else works. For example, Windows users expect all of the
> mouse buttons to work ... they take it for granted. If it doesnt just
> work, it makes them think that there is just something wrong with the
> distribution.
>
>
> --
> nuopus
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:07:18 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Paul Sladen <ubuntu at paul.sladen.org>
> Subject: Re: [Bug 5302] sysvinit: new changes from Debian require
> merging
> To: ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
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> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> > If possible, we should just package the documentation separately if we
> > want it.
>
> This would probably help with LiveCD squeezing; or other restricted-space
> scenarios too.
>
> -Paul
> --
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>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:35:51 -0700
> From: Myles Green <rmg57 at telus.net>
> Subject: Re: Getting back/forward mouse buttons working as default
> To: ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <20050112203551.397bddf9.rmg57 at telus.net>
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> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:18:54 -0500
> nuopus <dlist at ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
>
> > Hoary is a development distribution. That features would help lots of
> > people that are NEW to Linux and are not adept at configuring text
> > files manually.
>
> "Hoary is a development distribution." Exactly. Why is a person with
> little or no Linux experience using using that? It's in a constant state
> of flux. As a long time *nix user I wouldn't dream of using Longhorn for
> the same reason. Don't get me wrong, I'm not an MS basher, my computer
> is dual boot Linux/XP Pro and I help people with Windows problems all
> the time but I am more comfortable in front of a Linux/Unix machine.
> <shrug>
>
> Take care,
>
> - --
> Myles Green <rmg57 at telus dot net> Calgary AB Canada
> Ubuntu Linux 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Dev. Branch
> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/
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