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>    1. Re: synaptic with dpkg progressbar in hoary (Michael Vogt)
>    2. Re: synaptic with dpkg progressbar in hoary (Michael Vogt)
>    3. Re: synaptic with dpkg progressbar in hoary (Michael Vogt)
>    4. Re: synaptic with dpkg progressbar in hoary (Michael Vogt)
>    5. Re: synaptic with dpkg progressbar in hoary (Michael Vogt)
>    6. Re: synaptic with dpkg progressbar in hoary (Michael Vogt)
>    7. Re: announcing MOTU Teams proposal (Daniel Holbach)
>    8. Re: synaptic with dpkg progressbar in hoary (Matt Zimmerman)
>    9. error loading xorg with framebuffer enabled (Vincenzo Ampolo)
>   10. Re: spam on hoary-changes (John Richard Moser)
>   11. Re: synaptic with dpkg progressbar in hoary (rwabel)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:59:56 +0100
> From: Michael Vogt <michael.vogt at ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: synaptic with dpkg progressbar in hoary
> To: rwabel <dlist at ubuntuforums.org>
> Cc: ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <20050206105956.GB32188 at top.ping.de>
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> On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 08:46:31AM -0500, rwabel wrote:
> [..]
>
> > Did you have a chance to see the update tool from xandros 3? It is
> > really simple und witha nice GUI. You get prompted when you need to
> > enter information, otherwise it only displays a windows alike progress
> > bar.
>
> Thakns for this suggestion. I'll see if I have a chance to see it :)
>
> > It would be good in my opinion to see at the end that the process has
> > been finished and without error or with error in the other case. At the
> > moment you see nothing, the windo just disapear!
>
> Good point, this is fixed in the current version in hoary.
>
> bye,
>  Michael
>
> --
> Linux is not The Answer. Yes is the answer. Linux is The Question. - Neo
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:01:36 +0100
> From: Michael Vogt <michael.vogt at ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: synaptic with dpkg progressbar in hoary
> To: Julien Olivier <julo at altern.org>
> Cc: ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <20050206110136.GC32188 at top.ping.de>
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> On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 11:05:46PM +0100, Julien Olivier wrote:
> > > If your version of synaptic is recent enough (0.55+cvs2005* should do)
> > > you will get a progress-bar when installing packages. If you want (or
> > > the program tries to prompt on the terminal direcly) you can exapnd
> > > the "Terminal" expander to see what's going on. The Debconf frontend
> > > is set to gnome by default in this mode, (so libgnome2-perl is
> > > recommended but not enforced).
> > >
> > > Please report any problems/suggestions to me (or the bugzilla).
> >
> > I tried the new synaptic with the progressbar, and it worked perfectly
> > when adding/removing software.
> > However, I tried to update my system and it failed. All it did was
> > download all the files, and go back to the main window. I didn't get any
> > error message in the GUI or in the terminal. If I re-check "execute the
> > changes in a terminal window", everything works perfectly.
>
> Thanks for testing!  Does this happens with the current version in
> hoary as well? And if so, does it now print something usefull in the
> terminal (if you run it from a gnome-terminal) or in the build-in
> terminal (when you expand the "terminal" expander in the progressbar)?
>
> bye,
>  Michael
>
> --
> Linux is not The Answer. Yes is the answer. Linux is The Question. - Neo
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:05:44 +0100
> From: Michael Vogt <michael.vogt at ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: synaptic with dpkg progressbar in hoary
> To: Shimon <shimen at gmail.com>
> Cc: ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <20050206110544.GD32188 at top.ping.de>
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> On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 09:42:48PM +1100, Shimon wrote:
> > Is there going to be an option to auto close the window when
> > everything is done this is the biggest thing i miss so far when using
> > synaptic
>
> You mean to auto-close synaptic itself? After a successfull
> install/upgrade/remove operation?
>
> There is a option for something like this (also it's not available in
> the preferences). If you set "AskQuitOnProceed=true" in your
> /root/.synaptic/synaptic.conf it will ask you to quit after a install
> run.
>
> bye,
>  Michael
>
> --
> Linux is not The Answer. Yes is the answer. Linux is The Question. - Neo
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:13:15 +0100
> From: Michael Vogt <michael.vogt at ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: synaptic with dpkg progressbar in hoary
> To: Shimon <shimen at gmail.com>
> Cc: Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <20050207191315.GA8557 at top.ping.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
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> On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 01:43:29AM +1100, Shimon wrote:
> > Or we can do what i said auto-close once finsh the dailog doesn't need
> > to be there once finish the use to be a option in the version before
> > the patch
>
> Thanks for this suggestion. The checkbox will be part of the next
> upload.
>
> bye,
>  Michael
>
> --
> Linux is not The Answer. Yes is the answer. Linux is The Question. - Neo
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:59:51 +0100
> From: Michael Vogt <michael.vogt at ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: synaptic with dpkg progressbar in hoary
> To: Jean Privat <privat at lirmm.fr>
> Cc: ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <20050207195951.GB8557 at top.ping.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 06:09:51PM +0100, Jean Privat wrote:
> > I try the new update management system. I think it is very good but I
> > think more consistence may improve it.
>
> Thanks for testing and thanks for your feedback.
>
> > Here is the usual upgrade scenario:
> >
> > 1) the update manager shows a list of available update
> > 2) the user clicks on "Install"
> > 3) the update manager manager window disappears
>
> This has changed now. It's grayed out (insensetive).
>
> > 4) nothing, the user have to wait
> > 5) the download windows appears (in the centre of the screen on my
> > test)
>
> It should now be centered on the parent window (the update-manager
> window).
>
> > 6) the download starts then reaches 100%
> > 7) the download windows disappears
> > 8) nothing, the user have to wait a little
> > 9) the installing windows appears (in the top left corner of the screen
> > on my test)
>
> The window should now be in the same location as it was before.
>
> > 10) nothing append... ooops, it's my fault, I installed
> > apt-listchanges
>
> We may fix that before hoary (and add a gtk mode to apt-listchanges),
> but we are pretty late in the release cycle. Until then it's probably
> best to set the output of apt-listchanges to xterm.
>
> > 11) the install process starts then reaches 100%
> > 12) the install windows disappears
>
> It will now not disappear by default but tell the user what happend.
>
> > What are the problems:
> > a) the user have to wait without any feedback (part 4 and 8)
>
> Hopefull fixed :)
>
> > b) the download ans install window are a little different: not the same
> > position, not the same layout (the install windows shows the package
> > currently installed but the download don't), no cancel button while
> > installing
>
> Not quite easy to solve with the current code and we are late in the
> release cycle. I think we will get a better integrated dialog in
> hoary+1.
>
> > c) when the process finish, not even a congratulation :)
>
> Fixed now :) (also a nice icon is still missing).
>
> > How to improve ?
> > Use the same window for download and install
> > * use the same progress bar
> > * shows the packages currently installed (as now) but also downloaded
> > * if details are enabled during download (independent progress), let the
> > details for installation (terminal)
> > * when the install process is finished, display a congratulation message
> > and transform the "cancel" button into an "ok" button.
> > * add a state control on the left of the screen which summarise the
> > process: put 3 icons, "download", "install", "finish" and highlight the
> > current one (or grey the two others)
> >
> > I hope these ideas may be used to improve usability.
>
> This sounds like a very good idea. We won't be able to get it done
> exactly that way for hoary I think, but it will not forgotten!
>
> thanks,
>  Michael
> --
> Linux is not The Answer. Yes is the answer. Linux is The Question. - Neo
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:04:51 +0100
> From: Michael Vogt <michael.vogt at ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: synaptic with dpkg progressbar in hoary
> To: rwabel <dlist at ubuntuforums.org>
> Cc: ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <20050207200451.GC8557 at top.ping.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 07:07:01PM -0500, rwabel wrote:
> > I've another quetsion. the progressbar of download pacakge information
> > is only for each repository. Is it possible to make somekind of
> > estimation how long the whole process is going. I guess it's very
> > complicated to guess the overall process status for "apt-get update"
>
>   It's something we won't be able to fix for hoary. But if you file a
> bug about it (progress inaccurate when doing a package list update) we
> can have a look for hoary+1.
>
> Thanks,
>  Michael
>
> --
> Linux is not The Answer. Yes is the answer. Linux is The Question. - Neo
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 21:26:56 +0100
> From: Daniel Holbach <dh at mailempfang.de>
> Subject: Re: announcing MOTU Teams proposal
> To: Oliver Grawert <hostmaster at grawert.net>
> Cc: ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <4207CF10.8020206 at mailempfang.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Hi Oliver,
>
> your idea is excellent.
>
> Oliver Grawert wrote:
> >please feel free to add your own ideas, critics, comments to the wiki
> >page and remember that universe completely lies in the communitys hands,
> >the quality of the software, the integration of the packages in the
> >whole system, everything will be only as good as we all make/improve it
> >for ubuntu....
>
> This is exactly the point. We need suggestions, ideas and expectations
> on Ubuntu, the Next Generation OS on your WikiPages.  Even if some ideas
> are not achievable in the next weeks, they may serve as a starting point
> and as a get-together for people, who want their needs accomplished.
>
> I'll give possible future plans another thought, or what I'd expect of
> some group's effort.
>
> Bye,
>  Daniel
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:43:36 -0800
> From: Matt Zimmerman <mdz at ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: synaptic with dpkg progressbar in hoary
> To: ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <20050207204336.GM7203 at alcor.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 09:00:14AM +0100, Aurélien Naldi wrote:
> > On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:50:31 -0800, Matt Zimmerman <mdz at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> > > On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 06:38:47PM -0500, JoWilly wrote:
> > > > 1 question: how do you deal with packages where user input is needed
> > > > (like the hpoj drivers for HP multifuction devices) ?
> > > >
> > > > Does it automatically open the terminal view or popup something ?
> > >
> > > Packages which do that kind of thing are not compliant with current
> > > packaging policies, and should be considered buggy.
> >
> > quite a lot of packages are waiting for user input, when the gnome
> > frontend to debconf is avaible is seems to use it, that's great...
>
> Yes; the buggy packages are the ones (like hpoj) which do not use debconf,
> and interact with the user on the terminal.  This results in synaptic
> stalling, unable to give feedback to the user.
>
> --
>  - mdz
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 21:51:48 +0100
> From: Vincenzo Ampolo <vincenzo.ampolo at gmail.com>
> Subject: error loading xorg with framebuffer enabled
> To: ubuntu-developer mailing list <ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <1107809508.7962.4.camel at localhost.localdomain>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> Hi to all
> i wanted to enable framebuffer on my pc so i went to menu.lst of grub
> and set vga=792 properly.
> At reboot the framebuffer is set but xorg fails to execute.
> Does anybody know anythig? Is it a common error or i'm just to stupid to
> solve this problem?
>
> thanks a lot
>
> ps: this stuff is need for a under developing bootsplash that works in
> usermode. It is started by rc scripts.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:28:18 -0500
> From: John Richard Moser <nigelenki at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: spam on hoary-changes
> To: ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Cc: hoary-changes at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <4207DD72.7030004 at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Yay more spam, feed it to Thunderbird and let it filter it for you.
>
> Seriously, I get so little spam here (subscribed to many mailing lists
> even) that over time my spam filter gets LESS accurate and needs tuning.
>  I only have to mark mail once every month or two though; it's usually
> right.
>
> It's annoying coming downstream, but closing a list for non-subscribers
> is also annoying.  I've noticed many sourceforge.net lists are closed to
> non-subscribers, yet they still get much spam, some as high as 3 spams
> between legitimate messages.  Perhaps spammers can subscribe to a list
> as well and have their domain forward all trapped messages to a spam
> mailbox that lets the spam daemon reply, validate, and get on the
> mailing list?  Wouldn't be hard if you had control of the server the
> spam was sent from.
>
> Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > <quote who="Nils Jeppe">
> >
> >>Guys, PLEASE close down the lists for non-subscribers. I get more than
> >>enough spam already.
> >
> > For various reasons, this has not been appropriate for the hoary-changes
> > list, however we are working at a useful workaround for it. We apologise
> > for the noise in the mean time.
> >
> >>You are making yourself guilty of assisting them, and I *will* report it
> >>accordingly via spamcop et al.
> >
> > That would not be even remotely productive.
> >
> > - Jeff
>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:37:30 -0500
> From: rwabel <dlist at ubuntuforums.org>
> Subject: Re: synaptic with dpkg progressbar in hoary
> To: ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <rwabel.1k3s4z at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
>
> Michael Vogt Wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 06:05:29PM -0500, rwabel wrote:
> > > > Thanks for testing!
> > > >
> > > > Hm, so if you check/uncheck it it always gives you the changes in
> >
> > a
> >
> > > > terminal window? Do the windows look different or are they exactly
> >
> > the
> >
> > > > same?
> > > >
> > > > thanks,
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Linux is not The Answer. Yes is the answer. Linux is The Question.
> >
> > -
> >
> > > > Neo
> > >
> > > the trick was I had first to check it and then uncheck it. Now it
> >
> > works
> >
> > > fine!
> > > I'll test it and see if any strange things will happen.
> >
> > Thanks! This bug is fixed with the current upload.
> >
> > bye,
> > Michael
> >
> > --
> > Linux is not The Answer. Yes is the answer. Linux is The Question. -
> > Neo
> >
> > --
> > ubuntu-devel mailing list
> > ubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
>
> I'm getting confused by the many posted answers about the same post.
> It's working fine now
>
> But I got another problem. When I go into Settigns->Repository and
> leave it Synaptic just hangs. I just see the mouse cursor that synaptic
> is busy.
> This were the steps
> 1. Settings
> 2. Repositories
> 3. preferences from file:/var/cache/apt-build/repository apt-build
> (Binary)
> 4. Close
> 5. then clicked on the close winow not the cancel button
>
> I've another suggestion:
> I like the new way how synaptic is displaying the software sources. But
> now it doesn't display the commented one. It would be great to be able
> to activate or desactivate repositories.
> Furthermore it's not possible to change a repository.
> Will you add these features in a futur version?
>
>
> --
> rwabel
>
>
>
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