Isn't gFTP deprecated?

[Martin Alderson]

Absolutley. On second thoughts I agree with you - gFTP _is_ deprecated
and the space used for that could be used for something much more
intresting.

Martin


On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:26:23 -0400, Britt Selvitelle <britt at muchobs.com> wrote:
> Hey guys,
> 
> On Wed, 2004-09-22 at 02:09 +0200, Daniel Borgmann wrote:
> > > 2) gFTP presents a very 'relevant' UI for FTP, at least in my opinion.
> > > It has things like CHMOD and similar just a menu away.
> >
> > Ugh, that's exactly what I'm talking about. :) The user should never
> > ever have to deal with terms like "chmod" in a modern GUI. After all
> > this is nothing but our good old unix file permissions and gftp doesn't
> > even care to explain this fact. It is unfortunate that Nautilus doesn't
> > support changing of file permissions on FTP servers yet, but I also
> > don't think that this is a required feature for the vast majority of
> > users.
> 
> Agreed. I think this ideal perfectly follows the Gnome mantra.
> 
> > I'm not aware of any obvious user-visible differences between FTP
> > locations and local locations, which would require a completely separate
> > application, using a whole new metaphor for file managment.
> 
> Agreed here as well. There is a very nice trend developing in Gnome
> applications right now ... Rhythmbox will soon do audio CD burning.
> Nautilus will do data CD burning. Along these lines Nautilus should
> handle generic file transfer as well. IMO FTP falls under this category.
> 
> The problem is that these features are not immediately discoverable,
> because inferior operating systems handle this differently, and people
> simply aren't used network specific file transfer in a file manager.
> 
> What we really need is some type of interactive application that walks
> new users some of the coolest features of the desktop. Things like
> double-middle-click in spatial nautilus, CD burning, the concept of
> virtual-desktops, etc.
> 
> >  I have been
> > using Nautilus as my exclusive FTP client since many months now, even
> > though it completely sucked before 2.8 and couldn't handle
> > authentication in a sane way. If this works for me as a web developer, I
> > don't see why this shouldn't work for basic users.
> >
> > > However, I do agree with many of your sentiments and I don't really
> > > like gFTP because it is very clunky. However with a nice iconset it
> > > would intergrate much better, IMO.
> >
> > The icons certainly are the least of its problems. ;)
> 
> Recently I had to help a friend FTP some files via Windows. I went
> through the process of explaining to him over the phone how to open a
> terminal and use the (very broken) commandline ftp application. As you
> can imagine, it was not fun :)
> 
> Now imagine having to explain to a new user how to use gFTP. A bit
> better than commandline in windows, but not by much. They are still
> presented with a GUI totally unfamiliar to anything else, and are asked
> to comprehend alot of technical mumbo jumbo.
> 
> Finally, imagine telling them to use Nautilus to ftp. Ahhh. Much better.
> Same thing as they do when copying files on their local machine, except
> they have to enter the server, username, and password.
> 
> I think this is definitely one of those situations where we have to stop
> thinking like developers for a sec, and imagine ourselves as Joe Blow
> end users. (Remember, nothing prevents those who need something more
> advanced from doing a simple sudo apt-get install gftp).
> 
> Britt
> 
> 
> 
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