<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> If you have a support contract with Canonical, then maybe Canonical has a</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> support obligation, but Ubuntu, in particular for proprietary software, has no</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> <span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> support "obligation".</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br> </span></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">No, that's not it, let's not confuse the issue, the commercial side and Canonical </font><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">has nothing do with what I'm currently advocating</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">. I never mentioned Canonical because I was distinguishing this from the commercial side of things. This is purely a community support and engineering best-practices issue, not a commercial issue. The Linux Kernel guys have no commercial contracts with us but they embrace "best practices" and use the best recommendations to make sure they provide the best support for the Kernel. It's not commercial it's a community support obligation and engineering best-practices. </span></div> <div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">This is the basis for the open-source Linux community, people helping each other to obtain the best possible systems. It's also the purpose of Ubuntu, "I am because of who we all are" and "Linux for human beings". </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">To suggest that we need commercial contracts just to get proper device support for very mainstream and common graphics cards defeats the whole purpose of open-source Linux distributions, you might as well get an Apple Mac or Windows computer, there's no point to it. It's like saying we need a commercial contract with the Linux Foundation just to get support for Intel and AMD CPU's, it's absurd.</span></div> </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Scott Kitterman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ubuntu@kitterman.com" target="_blank">ubuntu@kitterman.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">If you have a support contract with Canonical, then maybe Canonical has a<br> support obligation, but Ubuntu, in particular for proprietary software, has no<br> support "obligation".<br> <br> Scott K<br> <div class="im"><br> On Friday, September 06, 2013 15:14:55 AG Restringere wrote:<br> > It's very simple:<br> ><br> > Nvidia "certifies" a driver in the "long lived branch", when it releases a<br> > new stable driver it recommends every Linux user to install that driver<br> > immediately for the best experience. Ubuntu has a support obligation make<br> > the latest most up-to-date "certified" drivers available to all users of<br> > currently supported versions especially 12.04 LTS, 13.04 and 13.10. If<br> > Ubuntu publishes out-of-date drivers and doesn't replace them when there's<br> > a newer one available it's a major problem. Graphics drivers, second to<br> > the Linux Kernel itself and networking/wifi drivers, are the most important<br> > drivers on a desktop system, they require a very consistent and high level<br> > of maintenance to keep a system in good working order.<br> ><br> </div>> *Linux x86/IA32*<br> <div class="im">> Latest Long Lived Branch version:<br> </div>> 319.49<<a href="http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-319.49-driver.html" target="_blank">http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-319.49-driver.html</a>><br> <div class="im">> <--<br> > this is the STABLE driver, anything before this is out-of-date<br> > Latest Short Lived Branch version:<br> </div>> 325.15<<a href="http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-325.15-driver.html" target="_blank">http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-325.15-driver.html</a>><br> <div class="im">> <--<br> > this is the BETA driver, for testing purposes<br> > Latest Legacy GPU version (304.xx series):<br> </div>> 304.108<<a href="http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-304.108-driver.html" target="_blank">http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-304.108-driver.html</a>><br> <div class="im">> <--<br> > this is for legacy users, those with old graphics cards<br> > Latest Legacy GPU version (71.86.xx series):<br> </div>> 71.86.15<<a href="http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-71.86.15-driver.htm" target="_blank">http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-71.86.15-driver.htm</a><br> > l> <--<br> <div class="im">> these are all other legacy drivers for even older cards<br> > Latest Legacy GPU version (96.43.xx series):<br> </div>> 96.43.23<<a href="http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-96.43.23-driver.htm" target="_blank">http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-96.43.23-driver.htm</a><br> > l> <--<br> <div class="im">> Latest Legacy GPU version (173.14.xx series):<br> </div>> 173.14.37<<a href="http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-173.14.37-driver.h" target="_blank">http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-173.14.37-driver.h</a><br> > tml> <--<br> <div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">><br> > <a href="http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix" target="_blank">http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix</a><br> ><br> > On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Jordon Bedwell <<a href="mailto:jordon@envygeeks.com">jordon@envygeeks.com</a>> wrote:<br> > > On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Paulo Roberto de Oliveira Castro<br> > ><br> > > <<a href="mailto:p.oliveira.castro@gmail.com">p.oliveira.castro@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> > > > Yes, that is what I was trying to say.<br> > > > They want it work and to be as fast as it can be, without worrying about<br> > ><br> > > it.<br> > ><br> > > I'm out of this one, the straw man just came out.<br> > ><br> > > --<br> > > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list<br> > > <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br> > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at:<br> > > <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss</a><br> <br> --<br> Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a><br> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss</a><br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>